If we do draft Gaines Adams where do we put him?

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That Guy
02-26-2007, 10:42 PM
two 260lb DEs are NOT going to stop the run. carter can't, and gaines "i won't lift at the combine cause it'll hurt my draft stock" adams probably won't either.

skinsfan69
02-26-2007, 10:43 PM
People seem to have the idea that Adams is an Andre Carter clone. Not so. He can take Daniels' spot and play every down. If Carter is still a bust, Daniels and the others would share time at the other side.

That's becasue he's about the same size as Carter. But if the guy can play then it does not matter how much he weighs. I assume that he will put on weight anyway.

skinsfan69
02-26-2007, 10:45 PM
two 260lb DEs are NOT going to stop the run. carter can't, and gaines "i won't lift at the combine cause it'll hurt my draft stock" adams probably won't either.

I didn't know he bitched out on the bench press. Terrible. But then again Charles Hayley never lifted weights so.....

GiantsSuck703
02-26-2007, 10:52 PM
Im pretty sure were going to pick Gaines Adams, Gibbs seems to be falling in love with him. Lets look at the history:Gibbs wanted Taylor all along and picked him, Gibbs wanted Cooley and not Winslow and traded up to pick him, Gibbs wanted Carlos Rogers and no one else and picked him, Gibbs wanted Campbell and picked him, Gibbs wanted Rocky Mcintosh more than any other LB and picked him. With that in mind, he seems to fall in love with one player and no matter who else is there they seem to always pick that guy, I dont believe the trade back hoopla, thats just not a Gibbs thing, we will pick Gaines Adams, although I would much rather see Branch,Willis, or Johnson in a skins uni next year, getting Gaines Adams really isnt all that bad.

GiantsSuck703
02-26-2007, 11:01 PM
two 260lb DEs are NOT going to stop the run. carter can't, and gaines "i won't lift at the combine cause it'll hurt my draft stock" adams probably won't either.

Just so you know, the bears who had one of the best run stopping defenses in the league had Adawale Ogunleye on one side and Alex Brown on the other

Alex Brown:6'3" 260
Ogunleye:6'4" 260

teams only averaged 99.4 rush yards a game against them, so that threory that you need a large defensive end to stop the run sort of goes out the window. Sorry im just tired of hearing that Gaines is to small, he was great all through college. And for the person that was complaining about him not bench pressing, come on, do you really think that matters, just ask the eagles about a guy named Mike Mamula, probably the greatest "combine" player of all time.

That Guy
02-26-2007, 11:20 PM
Just so you know, the bears who had one of the best run stopping defenses in the league had Adawale Ogunleye on one side and Alex Brown on the other

Alex Brown:6'3" 260
Ogunleye:6'4" 260

teams only averaged 99.4 rush yards a game against them, so that threory that you need a large defensive end to stop the run sort of goes out the window. Sorry im just tired of hearing that Gaines is to small, he was great all through college. And for the person that was complaining about him not bench pressing, come on, do you really think that matters, just ask the eagles about a guy named Mike Mamula, probably the greatest "combine" player of all time.

we don't have urlacher or briggs, we don't have vasher or tillman, and we don't have tommy harris and tank johnson. look at the colts run D with two light DEs... there's just a bigger likelyhood they'll get run over.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
02-26-2007, 11:36 PM
Just so you know, the bears who had one of the best run stopping defenses in the league had Adawale Ogunleye on one side and Alex Brown on the other

Alex Brown:6'3" 260
Ogunleye:6'4" 260

teams only averaged 99.4 rush yards a game against them, so that threory that you need a large defensive end to stop the run sort of goes out the window. Sorry im just tired of hearing that Gaines is to small, he was great all through college. And for the person that was complaining about him not bench pressing, come on, do you really think that matters, just ask the eagles about a guy named Mike Mamula, probably the greatest "combine" player of all time.


And Spudd Webb played professional basketball, but that doesn't mean that height doesn't matter in the NBA.

There are smallish DEs who can play both the pass and the run (e.g., Jason Taylor). BUT, scouts care about a DE's size for a reason...for all the non-Jason Taylor DEs, weight does matter when you've got a 320lb. guard or tackle bearing down on you and you weigh 60 lbs. less.

Skins_4_Lyfe
02-27-2007, 01:49 AM
I not all that excited this off season concerning who will be drafted or signed. Apparently it doesn't make a difference, our defensive coaching staff is terrible and I have no reason to believe that it will be any better than last year. Here lately they have done nothing but hold back playmakers; they seem to halt players careers. If they weren’t so worried about a complex system that everyone seemingly has figured out then maybe we could get a turnover.

So, this off season I doubt if I'll be that much excited over whomever is brought in. It won't make a difference how talented they are because this staff will find a way to hold them back, what makes most players good is their instincts and this "scheme" seems to tear down a players' feel for the game and force them to start from scratch. Whoever we draft with the 6th pick, which I hope will be Alan Branch (because there is not much scheme that can affect the duties of a DT);career won't start until they part ways with us.

I'm tired of hearing how this player is no good or Sean Taylor has regressed, our players clearly aren't put in position to make plays while abiding by this overwhelming/overrated scheme that I've never been comfortable with because of its vulnerability. This is ridiculous, ST is one of the most talented players I've seen in my lifetime and when he has a performance like last season, someone should be fired. It seemed as if he forgot how to play football, most of his 111 tackles were a result of cleaning up someone else’s mess. They (the defensive coaching staff)should be ashamed of themselves for the way they made him look in Philly.

I'm tired of this, every off season; it's like "Groundhogs Day"...Something has got to change. No matter how good our off season acquisitions are we always seem to find a way to make them mediocre-at-best.

That Guy
02-27-2007, 02:20 AM
I not all that excited this off season concerning who will be drafted or signed. Apparently it doesn't make a difference, our defensive coaching staff is terrible and I have no reason to believe that it will be any better than last year. Here lately they have done nothing but hold back playmakers; they seem to halt players careers. If they weren’t so worried about a complex system that everyone seemingly has figured out then maybe we could get a turnover.

So, this off season I doubt if I'll be that much excited over whomever is brought in. It won't make a difference how talented they are because this staff will find a way to hold them back, what makes most players good is their instincts and this "scheme" seems to tear down a players' feel for the game and force them to start from scratch. Whoever we draft with the 6th pick, which I hope will be Alan Branch (because there is not much scheme that can affect the duties of a DT);career won't start until they part ways with us.

I'm tired of hearing how this player is no good or Sean Taylor has regressed, our players clearly aren't put in position to make plays while abiding by this overwhelming/overrated scheme that I've never been comfortable with because of its vulnerability. This is ridiculous, ST is one of the most talented players I've seen in my lifetime and when he has a performance like last season, someone should be fired. It seemed as if he forgot how to play football, most of his 111 tackles were a result of cleaning up someone else’s mess. They (the defensive coaching staff)should be ashamed of themselves for the way they made him look in Philly.

I'm tired of this, every off season; it's like "Groundhogs Day"...Something has got to change. No matter how good our off season acquisitions are we always seem to find a way to make them mediocre-at-best.

2004 - #3 D
2005 - #9 D

always figure out how to hold people back? is that why UDFAs like pierce and marshall did so well? I mean, yeah 2006 sucked hard, but they were good enough the two years previous... at least good enough so that we can't really use phrases like how they're always terrible.

Skins_4_Lyfe
02-27-2007, 03:06 AM
2004 - #3 D
2005 - #9 D

always figure out how to hold people back? is that why UDFAs like pierce and marshall did so well? I mean, yeah 2006 sucked hard, but they were good enough the two years previous... at least good enough so that we can't really use phrases like how they're always terrible.
Yeah, we didn't yield many yards in 04' and 05', but I've always second guessed GW's defense. It always seemed to be vulnerable to big plays and never forced many turnovers (going back to his days in Tennessee).

I clearly blame last season on the coaches, they didn't work together. I'm not at all surprised with the defenses drastic regression when you hear stories about the safeties coach not speaking to the corners coach all season. Someone should have put an end to this before it even begun, this is ridiculous and it obviously had an effect on the team.

Sometimes I think GW lets his arrogance get the best of him...imagine playing for someone who said that he purposely put his players in bad positions to bring them down to earth.

You can refer to the 04' and 05' rankings if you want, but I'm not saying this coaching staff isn't capable, I'm saying that they obviously have some internal problems and changes need to be made (Lindsay was not the problem). I'm clearly saying that they didn't work well together last season and the "scheme" isn't "player friendly".

Is GW's 04' and 05' rankings supposed to secure his job for the rest of his career??? In this league its' all about "what have you done for me lately..."

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