Rumor: Strahan Wants To Be A Redskin

I don't think things are as bad as you make them out to be. First of all, trading our 13th pick for Coles and, eventually, Moss was one of the smartest things we did in a long time. If you wouldn't do that trade again in a heartbeat, then I'm not quite sure what to say. And hindsight is nice and all, but most scouts had Gardner and Moss neck-and-neck. Drafting Gardner didn't work out, but name me a team that hasn't had at least one 1st round bust in the past 5 years?

As for brining in aging veteran stars, we haven't done much of that since 2000 (Brunell being the only notable exception). Barrow and Upshaw were signed to tinsy, weensy signing bonuses for guys who were expected to start. Every team signs older guys and we're no exception.

Don't forget Gardner was a Marty guy. He's a much better fit for that offense than Moss would have been.

I don't think things are as bad as you make them out to be. First of all, trading our 13th pick for Coles and, eventually, Moss was one of the smartest things we did in a long time. If you wouldn't do that trade again in a heartbeat, then I'm not quite sure what to say. And hindsight is nice and all, but most scouts had Gardner and Moss neck-and-neck. Drafting Gardner didn't work out, but name me a team that hasn't had at least one 1st round bust in the past 5 years?

As for brining in aging veteran stars, we haven't done much of that since 2000 (Brunell being the only notable exception). Barrow and Upshaw were signed to tinsy, weensy signing bonuses for guys who were expected to start. Every team signs older guys and we're no exception.I don't think trading the 13th pick for Coles was all that smart. Coles was a pretty solid receiver here for one season in 2003, but I would have much rather have used the 13th pick.

Now, trading Coles for Moss looks absolutely brilliant in hindsight. What a great deal. I can't think of a more lopsided trade in recent NFL history (I guess Lloyd for a 3rd and a 4th ranks up there), and we were the beneficiary of it. The credit has to go to the FO on this one.

I don't think trading the 13th pick for Coles was all that smart. Coles was a pretty solid receiver here for one season in 2003, but I would have much rather have used the 13th pick. Now, trading Coles for Moss looks absolutely brilliant in hindsight. What a great deal. I can't think of a more lopsided trade in recent NFL history (I guess Lloyd for a 3rd and a 4th ranks up there), and we were the beneficiary of it. The credit has to go to the FO on this one.

You can't look at the 13th pick for Coles as totally distinct from the Coles-Moss swap. Without trading the 13th pick for Coles, we would not have gotten Moss. So, the 13th pick for Coles-Moss is a damn good trade in my mind. We've gotten production from that 13th overall pick each year.

strahain's better days are behind him,let the raiders sign him.the skins do'nt need him.

You can't look at the 13th pick for Coles as totally distinct from the Coles-Moss swap. Without trading the 13th pick for Coles, we would not have gotten Moss. So, the 13th pick for Coles-Moss is a damn good trade in my mind. We've gotten production from that 13th overall pick each year.Well, can't one move be bad and the other really, really great? Judging the thing as a whole sequence, I would say that it was a good move. But breaking it down, the real gem was trading a oft injured possession receiver with a knack for toughness for a top 10 receiver in this league with a knack for running between and by everyone on his way to the endzone.

getting moss was the best trade the redskins have made in 20 years.they were 100% on the money when they decided to trade for him.

Well, can't one move be bad and the other really, really great? Judging the thing as a whole sequence, I would say that it was a good move. But breaking it down, the real gem was trading a oft injured possession receiver with a knack for toughness for a top 10 receiver in this league with a knack for running between and by everyone on his way to the endzone.

Yeah, I guess you can look at the two moves independently. But even still, I think Coles is worth a mid 1st rounder. He's had 5,361 yards in the past 5 seasons playing with QBs like Ramsey, Brunell, and Chad "the Limp Arm" Pennington.

Yeah, I guess you can look at the two moves independently. But even still, I think Coles is worth a mid 1st rounder. He's had 5,361 yards in the past 5 seasons playing with QBs like Ramsey, Brunell, and Chad "the Limp Arm" Pennington.Again, this is getting into a positional value thing, so if you disagreed with me before, you probably disagree with me here.

Trading the 13th pick should net a better player than using it. After all, you are going to have the guy for less years, and you aren't going to get him cheap.

If we had drafted a receiver who put up Coles like production, I'd be cool with that. 13 is a good spot to pick a wide receiver who has fallen in the draft (i.e. was supposed to be selected in the top 10). But trading the 13th pick for a receiver warrents a top of the league talent, IMO. I don't think anybody is going to be confusing Coles for Steve Smith anytime soon. If we dealt the 13th directly for Moss, that would have been a fair deal. But after trading for Coles, being able to turn around and get Moss for him was wonderful value. They both play the same position, but one consistently outproduces the other. If you are the Jets there is no way you can justify this deal to us.

Also Pennington is one of the most accurate passers this league has seen in a long time. My thoughts on Brunell are well documented, and Ramsey was no slob either. It's not like he had to field passes from Shaun King or anything.

By the way, the 13th player selected in that draft was defensive tackle Ty Warren by New England. Other players taken after #13 -- Troy Polamalu, Bryant Johnson, Willis McGahee, Dallas Clark, Larry Johnson. Of course, the notion that the Redskins would have taken a defensive tackle is rather silly. There's a city ordinance in Washington that prohibits that don't you know.

But to further confuse things, what if we had stayed with the #13 pick and taken, say ... Troy Polamalu -- would we then have the need for Sean Taylor in 2004? Then, we could have selected Kellen Winslow -- but then, we might not have taken Chris Cooley -- and then we would have had another second round pick in 2005 ...

Headache ensues....

No Thanks.....would have been nice to land him about 8 years ago.