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70Chip 02-07-2007, 05:50 PM I've listened to that radio show a time or two and his knowledge of football is virtually nill. He spent the entire fall ripping the SEC and then came Florida...whoops.
Memo to Cameron Gray: Remember who you work for. Get rid of this guy and replace him with something else. Anything else. Personally, I'd rather listen to Polka Music.
GTripp0012 02-07-2007, 05:56 PM I have to believe these conceptsare not on them. This is what they do.........like professionally. I find it impossible to imagine that any of this is a surprise to Joe2 and Co., and not accounted for in some manner.I agree with this assessment. I think someone (probably a lot of people) in the Skins organization likely opposes the restructuring of so many veteran deals each year.
Anyway, the new CBA contract was a blessing in that it bought us about two more years then we would have had under the old CBA. We went out and quickly squandered the first year.
I think Joe Gibbs believe this team is capable of winning now. I think his faith is justified...to an extent. Although Gibbs would never make a move that he believes will harm the future of the franchise, at his age even the most noble men in the world surely would be considering all possible ways to win now.
I know I, as a fan, would gladly trade three years of cap purging and mediocrity for one world championship. But I'm not fickle enough to think that even if we have the best offseason of any team and put togehter the toughest roster in the league, that our chances of going all the way in any given year is better than 5-1. Gibbs has one year to get it done with this roster, and I'm sure he knows this. In fact, I bet most of this year's free agent moves were done under the assumption that Gibbs had two years to make it happen, so might as well compromise the future for the best possible chance to win within the next two years.
Well, the first year of that 2 year window produced a 5-11 result. So either the plan has to be aborted, the buck stopped here (as I previously suggested), and the future saved, or we stay the course, pour all of our remaining resources into 2007, and the legacy of Gibbs2 is defined by one season--2007.
I think Gibbs and company have already made up their minds. If they don't get at least a deep playoff push this next season, then this franchise is in dire straights.
Back to the main point, I'm sure there is significant conflicting views within the organization. I'm sure that the impeding doom is common knowledge, but some people surely think that one more go with this core group is the best chance that this franchise will have to win it all for a long time.
And as much as I hate to say it, this organization may knowledgebly be sacrificing its future...for a good yet potentially futile cause.
SmootSmack 02-07-2007, 05:56 PM The problem is we have no draft picks in the pipeline.
Don't we have all our picks for 2008 and 2009?
GTripp0012 02-07-2007, 06:04 PM One good thing for us--this Colts team that won the Super Bowl this past weekend was, in essence, a flawed roster. The run defense wasn't as much fixed for the playoffs as much as it was patched up by a scheme change. The 2007 Colts should still have a run defense problem.
But what this team did demonstrate is that--with a little luck--a flawed roster can win 4 straight playoff games and be crowned champions. It gives hope to our 2007 team.
GTripp0012 02-07-2007, 06:05 PM Don't we have all our picks for 2008 and 2009?Yes, which is why I'm thinking there will be a purge of over-the-hill veterans over those two seasons, replaced by draft picks.
Just a prediction.
skinsfan69 02-07-2007, 06:11 PM Don't get me wrong I'm not backing the current front office philosophy, but it is what it is.
I can probably tell you what Gibbs and co. are thinking.
They're thinking look what happened in 2005... they've shown they can win and get to the playoffs with this current setup and personnel strategy. I'm sure they will look at last year and learn some valuable lessons, and they will look to replicate the same success they had from bringing in guys like Moss, Springs, Griffin, Washington, etc., rather than bombs like Arch and Lloyd.
Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.
Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started this past year vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. Bulger killed our defense. Simply put we all saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.
Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.
Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. You also saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.
End result was the playoffs and a playoff win to boot.
Pick it apart any way you want, but it was a playoff season. That's the reality of it.
budw38 02-07-2007, 06:23 PM I'll answer my own question. And tell me honestly if you're not astounded by this...
The last time the Redskins drafted a defensive lineman that turned out to be a starter was Rich Owens in the 5th round of 1995.
Not in 11 years until Golston and Montegomery did we draft another D-lineman that played with any consistency.
Am I missing something here? Is anyone here not stunned by this fact? Not suprised , I was thinking C. Mann < drafted 83 > . I am suprised that the team rarely uses a high draft pick on the D Line . Maybe Im wrong , but I believe B Wilson is the only D Lineman drafted in rd # 1 by the Skins since Gibbs was hired in '81 .
GTripp0012 02-07-2007, 06:27 PM Well if that's what they are doing then may God help us.
Can someone tell me what was so impressive about 05? Let's face it. Some of those 10 wins were not very impressive. I know some of you are going to rip me but I don't care. Beating Ariz does not impress me. Beating a bunch of bad teams without their starting qb's down the stretch is not impressive to me. Losing to Norv Turner at home is ridicules. Beating Kyle Orton does not impress me. You saw the difference when Marc Bulger started this past year vs. 05 when STL had some 3rd stringer named Fitzpatirck starting. Bulger killed our defense. Simply put we all saw the difference when we played tougher teams. I'm glad we made the playoffs and I was cheering my ass off but let's keep it real.How many impressive victories do you think the average playoff team has? In 2005, we had the 2nd toughest schedule of any team in the NFL (SD was No. 1). In 2005, we blew out a few teams, some crappy, some good. Blowout victories are usually very indicitive of team dominance. This year, we blew nobody out, and got boned in some close games that we should have won, and ended up losing. We were much better than 5-11, I think, but we left crappy teams in the game--something that the 05 team never did (outside of the Oakland game last season--very telling of things to come). This allowed inferior rosters like Tennessee and Minnesota to win close games against us.
Bottom line: if we want to get back to winning, this team will have to show that it can dominate some games in 2007.
skinsguy 02-07-2007, 07:08 PM After seeing the crap that we have drafted (excluding Campbell so far,) the high draft picks such as Desmond Howard, Michael Westbrook, Heath Shuler...just to name a few...why should there be such an emphasis on draft picks? We did advance in the playoffs with a free agency team in '05, there isn't a reason why it couldn't happen again. The biggest thing is to use free agency wisely and sign the guys who have been in the league a few seasons but are still young (like Moss and Portis) and stay away from the aging guys. Either way, some guys are going to make the point of the sky falling no matter what, even if we win the Super Bowl next season.
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