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70Chip 02-07-2007, 12:46 PM I'm no fan of Snyder, but if I have to choose between the Redskins and the Washington Post, I'm taking the Redskins. **** Donald Graham and **** his family.
The most interesting line in the story is this one:
"...When the Snyders traveled to be with the surrogate who gave birth to their son, the Rodgerses went along. ..."
I had to read that one twice before the meaning set in. The rich lead different lives than you or I.
Monkeydad 02-07-2007, 01:43 PM I'm no fan of Snyder, but if I have to choose between the Redskins and the Washington Post, I'm taking the Redskins. **** Donald Graham and **** his family.
The most interesting line in the story is this one:
"...When the Snyders traveled to be with the surrogate who gave birth to their son, the Rodgerses went along. ..."
I had to read that one twice before the meaning set in. The rich lead different lives than you or I.
Not really...that's a situation that any of us could face, not being able to conceive a child (from either spouse). This isn't an uncommon procedure. With the mess that it entails to adopt a child, it's not a bad route and still gets the father's genes into the child. Everyday people like us often spend more money than they have trying to conceive a child. Snyder just had the cash on hand to do the same thing.
skinsfan69 02-07-2007, 02:49 PM Nice article but I'M TIRED OF LOSING. We just went 5-11 and in 04 we went 6-10! with one of the highest payrolls in the NFL. Something is really wrong here! Sounds like Snyder has thin skin. He's hurt because the media rips him. Well he deserves all the crap that he gets, and if he can't handle it then sell the team. I'm personally tired of Snyder and the way he runs things. It's getting old. He needs to put his foot down and tell Gibbs and Vinny the FA way is not working and bring in the best GM money can buy. If Gibbs doesn't like it then retire. Mike Holgrem gave up his GM power so why can't Gibbs???? And he needs to tell his butt buddy Vinny to get lost. WTF has Vinnny done besides kiss Danny's ass? I heard on NFL Network that other respected personel men around the NFL think Vinny is just a joke. But I bet on March 1st, salary cap space will be cleared, Redskins One will have a full tank of gas and off we go.................
Daseal 02-07-2007, 04:20 PM Skinsfan, I'd love to see Snyder put his foot down and tell Gibbs after going 6-10 he needs to spend a bit more time working on coaching and less on bringing in free agents. Unfortunately, like most of this board Snyder sees Gibbs as some sort of golden god that can do no harm. When fact of the matter is Gibbs took us to the playoffs once and that was because we have a mauling offensive line, a beast named Portis, and a great defense.
When fact of the matter is Gibbs took us to the playoffs once and that was because we have a mauling offensive line, a beast named Portis, and a great defense.
So did Gibbs have nothing to do with that success?
ncskinsfanec 02-07-2007, 04:38 PM Skinsfan, I'd love to see Snyder put his foot down and tell Gibbs after going 6-10 he needs to spend a bit more time working on coaching and less on bringing in free agents. Unfortunately, like most of this board Snyder sees Gibbs as some sort of golden god that can do no harm. When fact of the matter is Gibbs took us to the playoffs once and that was because we have a mauling offensive line, a beast named Portis, and a great defense.
People hold Gibbs as some sort of a golden god because he brought unprecedented success and super bowl glory to this franchise. It's frustrating and dissapointing that he hasn't achieved the same kind of success, so far, this time around. I wish Gibbs would give up being GM, but maybe with a little patience from everyone, maybe he can figure out how to do that well too. I strongly believe, if the defense can be at least decent next season, we can make another playoff run!
People hold Gibbs as some sort of a golden god because he brought unprecedented success and super bowl glory to this franchise. It's frustrating and dissapointing that he hasn't achieved the same kind of success, so far, this time around. I wish Gibbs would give up being GM, but maybe with a little patience from everyone, maybe he can figure out how to do that well too. I strongly believe, if the defense can be at least decent next season, we can make another playoff run!
Totally agree. I, like everyone else am VERY frustrated, but mostly disappointed with our results this year. I have complete faith that Joe2 can repair. He is an entrepreneur, a leader. Accomplished in many area's. He is compelled to improvise, adapt, and overcome. It will happen
Daseal 02-07-2007, 05:12 PM Matty, I honestly think it was a small part of the success. I feel Portis and the line played fundamental football in an overly conservative offense. I feel we lost games due to the conservative offense and we keep pushing games to our defense and say "Hey, you win this one" instead of our offense ever just finishing an opponent off.
I really think Gibbs lacks that killer instinct, he's too worried about feelings now days. I think he's absolutely baffled when it comes to how the NFL works now days. Hell, Dick Vermeil was out of the league for 4-5 years and said that he still couldn't keep up with the changes that took place over that time.
I guess I don't see how people can sit here and talk about how terrible of a coach Greg Williams is after having one bad year on defense. Since he's been a defensive coordinator and even a head coach his defense plays lights out football. He has one dismal season and he needs to be fired, he can't ever take over the 'skins, etc. Yet Gibbs has been more than mediocre since his return.
Yes, back in the 80's he was an excellent coach, he took the team on to win 3 Super Bowls. The man is a great Redskin, and he was a great coach. I think part of the reason we have a million coaches is because Gibbs is somewhat shellshocked and not ready for it. It is typical to give a coach three years in the NFL, in three years he's gone 21-27. For the talent we have, that would get any other coach fired.
Yes, one year we got to the playoffs by the skin of our teeth, and Gibbs side of the ball had the worst offensive performance in NFL playoff history. I just think that the man gets far too much credit for what he's doing this go around, which has been very mediocre. If you asked a random pool of NFL fans, I bet 90-95 wouldn't put Gibbs in their top 10 list for current coaches, I know I wouldn't.
SmootSmack 02-07-2007, 05:15 PM Gibbs had a "million" coaches in the 80s as well so that's nothing new.
A small part?
He's the one that brought Portis here along with other key guys like Rabach, Moss, Washington, Griffin, Springs, Cooley, Brunell, Taylor, etc. It was also his offense which helped get us to the playoffs.
As we've discussed many times before, yes the offense faltered late in the year but it was an offense that was 11th overall in yardage and 13th overall in points scored. Let's stop citing just the last few games of that year and instead consider the entire body of work.
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