freddyg12
01-31-2007, 10:21 AM
Check out this summary of 1998, a year full of hope after signing D. Stubblefield & Big Daddy Wilkinson. Norv would've been fired if not for the unsettled ownership situation, though the team did put together some wins at the end.
Washingtonpost.com: Washington Redskins 1998 Season Recap (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/longterm/1998/98recap.htm)
vaoutlaws2006
01-31-2007, 10:50 AM
to many could haves, would haves, and should haves and mostly too much snyder to call it a success or failure.
vaoutlaws2006
01-31-2007, 10:54 AM
Check out this summary of 1998, a year full of hope after signing D. Stubblefield & Big Daddy Wilkinson. Norv would've been fired if not for the unsettled ownership situation, though the team did put together some wins at the end.
Washingtonpost.com: Washington Redskins 1998 Season Recap (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/longterm/1998/98recap.htm)
Washingtonpost.com: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/longterm/1999/skinsrecap99.htm)
check out 1999 these are the results i speak of.
I'm still pissed about letting S. Davis and B. Johnson get away
freddyg12
01-31-2007, 11:37 AM
Washingtonpost.com: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/longterm/1999/skinsrecap99.htm)
check out 1999 these are the results i speak of.
I remember that season well, it was our best till 05. Norv got things in order when Danny said playoffs or done.
I put the link to the 98 season cause I think it better shows the ups & downs of Norv's teams. we started 98 0-7 yet managed to finish 6-10.
The 2000 team beat the best teams in football including both super bowl teams, but we couldn't beat dallas & we lost one to the cards.
I also put up the 98 season cause as dismal as we were early on a lot of owners would've fired the coach by then.
Norv had some success & gave us hope for a while. I would've liked to have seen what he could've done in 2000 if Danny hadn't gone on that spending spree. At the same time, that spree was all on D & the D did improve greatly. Was Norv to blame for that team going 8-8?
That's a tough call, but I think Norv has shown that he's not as suited to being a head coach as an OC. just my opinion.
hail_2_da_skins
01-31-2007, 12:06 PM
Norv Turner is a very good offensive coordinator. He was not a good head coach for the Washington Redskins. His team seemed rudderless. lacked discipline, showed no emotion and could not close out an opponent. He built a good offense but his defense was neglected. I had a feeling that he did not have the respect of his team. That was most evident when Dan Snyder chewed him out after an embarrasing lost and team did not support Turner.
Turner had success when Marvin Lewis was the defensive coordinator. Turner may be a decent head coach if he has a strong defensive coordinator handling the defensive side of the ball.
SmootSmack
01-31-2007, 12:40 PM
Norv Turner is a very good offensive coordinator. He was not a good head coach for the Washington Redskins. His team seemed rudderless. lacked discipline, showed no emotion and could not close out an opponent. He built a good offense but his defense was neglected. I had a feeling that he did not have the respect of his team. That was most evident when Dan Snyder chewed him out after an embarrasing lost and team did not support Turner.
Turner had success when Marvin Lewis was the defensive coordinator. Turner may be a decent head coach if he has a strong defensive coordinator handling the defensive side of the ball.
When was Marvin Lewis the defensive coordinator for Turner? And for all his "genius" Turner really didn't do all that much (from what I recall) as OC of the Dolphins and Chargers
Norv's time in the sun is gone with the Boys of the 1990's. As Tafkas stated, he has not had much success since. Is it not interesting, that JJ thinks he can re-kindle what is gone.................sorry bout' that.......I don't see it. Without the supporting cast, Norv is not enough to carry it
irish
01-31-2007, 12:59 PM
Lewis was the D coordinator for OBC. Norv is the best of the post 1995 redskins caoches by a mile and that says a lot because he was not that great.
jacobyfan
01-31-2007, 02:04 PM
Ok, I usually just lurk, but I'll weigh in on this. Norv is not as bad as we make him out to be. Our team was in disaster immediately following the beginning of the salary cap era and free agency. Pettibone was absolutely terrible and our defense was mediocre and offense totally predictable. It was like we were running out of a tecmo super bowl playbook.
Along comes Norv to try to fix the mess. We end up with Heath Shuler, who although he can throw the ball through the goalposts on his knees at the 50 (he reportedly did this while visiting the skins before the draft), was less than capable of leading a team. Continue the John Friez/Gus Ferrote show. Gus wins the job and then it looks like we're headed to the playoffs when he head butts a wall after a touchdown on purpose and puts himself out for the whole season. Lets not forget that we had a parade of who's nobodies (opposite of who's whos) at DC.
Then we get Brad Johnson, we have Stephen Davis and decent receivers and a decent O-line. We make the playoffs. We have the top offense in the NFC (if I recall correctly). We lose because we have not one, but TWO of the damn Turk brothers on out team. New owner Dan Snyder decides to screw around with the team. I'm going to put this in caps. NORV WANTED TO KEEP BUILDING THROUGH THE DRAFT. We get deion, we get bruce, we get mark carrier. We go 8-8 that year and Norv gets fired.
Now, I will say that Norv started here with a crappy terrible defunct operation. Maybe he didn't build it up fast enough. To his credit. He had us pointed in the right direction and wanted to continue building long term. Losing Westbrook for the year had hurt us.
In argument against him, and the one I made at the time that year which I still think is valid. With Westbrook out, Johnson couldn't seem to get his groove back and Norv (who is supposed to be a QB wizard) couldn't fix the problem. With (Albeit aging) pro-bowlers everywhere, here was our record.
5-3 against playoff teams
3-5 against non-playoff teams
I think you get rid of your coach for that. However, since he had built it up to the point it was at and Dan arguably was the one that derailed it, maybe he should have been given another year.