Tom "Iceman" Brady

why is manning the best ?

Because GTripp said so.

I dont get your argument, your basically saying that no matter how many clutch games Tom Brady has won that in your mind its discredited because his defense helped him win those games, although you then say that its Peyton Mannings defense, not his awful play in big games that has kept him from winning superbowls. Which to me, means your using your extremely obvious bias towards Peyton as your excuse for him being the better player. Your wrong, this isnt a matter of opinion, your just flat out wrong, Tom Brady has won the meaningless games and hes won the important games, hes a gamer and a former sixth round pick who had all the odds against him when he came into the league and basically took it over, hes not the most physically gifted QB, but hes a great leader and will carve up defenses like its nothing, i have seen nothing from Peyton Manning that makes me believe hes better than the 3-time superbowl champion Tom Brady.How many clutch games has Tom Brady won? What defines a clutch game? Why am I wasting my time answering a post that contains only stuff I've already responded to?

In my mind, Brady's record is discredited SOME because he has such a great team. This arguement can be easily avoided by keeping all team stats out of it. Record, rings, all of the such. Work with Brady's stats, Brady's history, Brady's resume. If you want to work with outside the box stuff like contract numbers, and even arbitrary stuff like pro bowl apperences (as bad as that is), I can work with that. Compare that to Manning. After all, is that not what we are debating? Comparing Manning's record to Brady's record is like comparing apples to oranges. Very different conditions. Leave the 52 other members of the Pats out of this, and we can move on.

If you want to call him clutch, I'll live, but first:

1) define what makes it a clutch game. How much time is left, how many points are they down, etc...

2) actually show me how this makes him better than Manning.

i have seen nothing from Peyton Manning that makes me believe hes better than the 3-time superbowl champion Tom Brady.

OK. Hows this:

Tom Brady (Career): 1896/3064 61.9% 21564 yards 7.0 yards/attempt 147 TDs 78 INTs QB Rating 88.4

Peyton Manning (Career): 3131/4890 64.0% 37586 yards 7.7 yards/attempt 275 TD 139 INT QB Rating 94.4

Clear advantage Manning.

if the colts lose on sunday it will prove, once again, that manning cracks under the pressure of big games.
if the colts win then manning will have proved his critics wrong and he will be one step closer to catching brady for the best stat of all....superbowl wins !

why is manning the best ?
is it because of his stats ?Yes, his superior analytical mind and skill are reflected in his statistics.

if the colts lose on sunday it will prove, once again, that manning cracks under the pressure of big games.
if the colts win then manning will have proved his critics wrong and he will be one step closer to catching brady for the best stat of all....superbowl wins !What if Manning doesn't crack, and plays well, but the Colts poor run D returns and Dillion/Maroney/Faulk combine for 250 yards leading a Patriot victory?

Could happen.

Lol!

In my mind, Brady's record is discredited SOME because he has such a great team. This arguement can be easily avoided by keeping all team stats out of it. Record, rings, all of the such. .


thats just plain stupid. so are we going to throw out some of mannings completions and passing yards and adjust his completion percentage because his recievers are,greatly, better than the patriots recievers. if we keep "all" stats out of it, then how do we determine who's better ? or do you just want to throw out the stats that favor brady ?

Yes.

thats just plain stupid. so are we going to throw out some of mannings completions and passing yards and adjust his completion percentage because his recievers are,greatly, better than the patriots recievers. if we keep "all" stats out of it, then how do we determine who's better ? or do you just want to throw out the stats that favor brady ?That's the thing, NO stats favor Brady. Part of that is Manning's offense, but mostly it's because he's jsut better, plain and simple.

Honestly, how much of a difference do you think his recievers make? How many tackles do Harrison and Wayne break? Probably fewer than Graham and Watson. Can't prove it though.

You will soon realize you can not use any fact, stat or accomplishment of Bradys that might be better than Mannings.
If you point to the terrible games Manning had in the playoffs, Mr. GTripp0012 will blame the Colts offensive line, defense or the other teams incredible defense. Everyone else is to blame for Mannings terrible playoff performances other than Manning, including the bad NE weather. LOL.

According to Mr. GTripp0012 Manning has never had a bad playoff game. His bad individual performances in the playoffs are everyone elses fault, not Mannings. Manning is a patsie.