Tom "Iceman" Brady

People want it both ways when they bring up the Peyton vs. Brady argument. On one hand they say, Brady is on a better team with a better coach and his wins and losses are more a bye product of his supporting cast than his actual physical prowess and football leadership and skills. Okay, fine.

But then on the other hand, they point to Peyton's individual stats, totally leave out his supporting cast for the past several years, which by the way is better than Brady's, and the fact that he too has a brialliant head coach in his own right.

The one thing that validates Manning as a great quarterback is the one thing that has eluded him. And it's that one thing that Tom Brady just happens to have three times over.

I watched Jason Taylor on ESPN last week talk about Tom Brady to no end. He felt very strongly, in fact, that Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the NFL today. Okay, so here's the defensive MVP of the league this year, he has no vested interest in being biased one way or another, and he plays them both twice a year.

He pointed out that the thing that makes Brady so special is that he has, what I thought he said was "Phone booth quicks" In other words, Brady can move around in very tight and limited spaces with defenders all around him and still deliver accurate throws. He said almost to a quarterback in the NFL, once they feel pressure they immediately adjust their throw. He said Brady has to actually get 'hit' in order to change his delivery, he's oblvious to just pressure.

a lot of people choose to dislike tom brady and the pats for the simple fact that they're winners. fact is the pats are a very good team and tom brady is argueably the best qb in the league today. he could go down as one of the best qbs to ever play in the nfl and like someone said earlier, if he retired after this season he would be a first ballot hall of famer.

I dislike them because I lived in Boston for 4 years (way before the Pats were good). Massholes suck.

No I think it would help Monk. It was much tougher to be a WR in the NFL in the 80's and early 90's than it is today. in the mid to late 90's the NFL changed the rules to help offense pass the ball more, so now the league has turned into amore of a passing league.
Now with these lame roughing the passer rules it really is giving them an advantage.

So should the receivers who will inevitably put up two-thousand yard seasons have a * put next to their accomplishment because of the addition of the illegal contact rule?

The Patriots really amaze me, they just find ways to win while Marty and co. seem to find ways to lose.


Man isnt that the truth! I mean seriously, the Marty ballers are equally unlucky as the pats are lucky.

Tom brady is very good, but not the sickest QB ive ever seen play, not by a longshot. Peyton Manning for one is a better quarterback than brady and a couple others i think better than brady just in the past decade, elway, marino, farve in his prime to name a few. Hats off to the pats, but they win because of superrior coaching than anything else.

what makes Peyton better? He has never won anything in the NFL, the point of a QB is to be a leader and get your team to the superbowl, how many rings does Peyton have? Lets not forget who peyton has played with: Edgerin James,Marvin Harrison,Reggie Wayne,Dallas Clark,Marcus Pollard and many many others over the past five or so years, still no superbowl win. Now on the other hand, lets see who Tom Brady has had during his superbowl wins:Troy Brown,David Patten,Deion Branch,Antowain Smith, Corey Dillon, no where near the talent that has surrounded Peyton and hes still won 3 superbowls and is 12-1 in the playoffs, thats one hell of a Qb, one hell of a leader, and one hell of a champion.

what makes Peyton better? He has never won anything in the NFL, the point of a QB is to be a leader and get your team to the superbowl, how many rings does Peyton have? Lets not forget who peyton has played with: Edgerin James,Marvin Harrison,Reggie Wayne,Dallas Clark,Marcus Pollard and many many others over the past five or so years, still no superbowl win. Now on the other hand, lets see who Tom Brady has had during his superbowl wins:Troy Brown,David Patten,Deion Branch,Antowain Smith, Corey Dillon, no where near the talent that has surrounded Peyton and hes still won 3 superbowls and is 12-1 in the playoffs, thats one hell of a Qb, one hell of a leader, and one hell of a champion.

I ask you to read the progession of the posts rather than read my opener and jump to page 11...

I ask you to read the progession of the posts rather than read my opener and jump to page 11...

why? have you all of a sudden changed your tone? I wonder why

what makes Peyton better? He has never won anything in the NFL, the point of a QB is to be a leader and get your team to the superbowl, how many rings does Peyton have? Lets not forget who peyton has played with: Edgerin James,Marvin Harrison,Reggie Wayne,Dallas Clark,Marcus Pollard and many many others over the past five or so years, still no superbowl win. Now on the other hand, lets see who Tom Brady has had during his superbowl wins:Troy Brown,David Patten,Deion Branch,Antowain Smith, Corey Dillon, no where near the talent that has surrounded Peyton and hes still won 3 superbowls and is 12-1 in the playoffs, thats one hell of a Qb, one hell of a leader, and one hell of a champion.You conviently ignore defense, the main reason that teams win and lose in the playoffs, and a part of the game that the QB has no control over, while citing offensive skill players, people who are often made by their QB. You then cite wins as your arguement while ignoring both defense AND special teams. Shoddy at best.

You conviently ignore defense, the main reason that teams win and lose in the playoffs, and a part of the game that the QB has no control over, while citing offensive skill players, people who are often made by their QB. You then cite wins as your arguement while ignoring both defense AND special teams. Shoddy at best.

Are you going to honestly say you haven't done the SAME THING with Manning? I've read all 11 pages and all I have really seen from you is the same thing:

1. "If Manning wins it's because of his talent, just look at his numbers"
2. "If Brady wins it's because of his team, just look at his defense"

Not to mention that you have this theory that playoff preasure doesn't exist. You don't really believe that do you? Yes, it's the same players that suit up every other Sunday, but you have to admit that when Manning stops and thinks, "Hey, wait a minute. I'm not gaurenteed to play next week," he gets a little nervous. They both do, of course. But Brady doesn't show it in his play, Manning does. You can bring up the poor play of Brady yesterday if you want but look how Manning played in Baltimore, much worse. The fact is that Brady (at least more often than not) handles the playoff pressure exponentially better than Manning.

Even though I know it's been said several times before, numbers and stats don't mean anything in the end. Marino would have given up 16 wins for one super bowl. Even though Manning may have fantastic regular season games, he chokes when it counts, end of story.