Tom "Iceman" Brady

Lets face it, in a fair world, the Patriots lose 9/10 times yesterday. By all accounts, the Patriots were outplayed yesterday. But the world isn't fair. A bunch of supposedly random events came together yesterday to bail Brady's ass out of 3 interceptions. When it came down to the wire, the Patriot defense stiffened, and the Charger defense had some gaping holes to throw into. Brady just did what he's paid to do on that drive.

I said yesterday that the game chooses it's champion. Obviously thats not decided yet (I hope), but the game "decided" that despite the talent discrepancy yesterday, the Chargers were going one and done. The Chargers were the best team in the league, but they, like every other team in history, needed some good fortune to win in the playoffs. They didn't get any. Of the 5 fumbles that were put on the ground by both teams, all 5 were recovered by the Patriots.

Therefore, rings is not a reasonable arguement of QB play, it simply doesn't tell you anything. It's the ultimate goal, it isnt how you get there.

The following guys have rings in the last 10 years:
Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer
Kurt Warner

When do these guys get their HOF tickets?

In Brady's six years as a starter, he has yet to outperform Manning in ANY season. The question of who is better is downright ridiculous.With that said Brady also threw 3 ints which the Chargers did not take advantage of unlike the Pats. If the Chargers won all the bad plays from them would be forgotten and only those three int's is what we would be talking about. Its just the bad plays for the loosing team always looks worse than the winners.Those QB's you named have one SB ring Brady has 3 which is what sets him apart. I guess you can pick a stat guy I'll go with the winner. I also noticed that you left Farve off your list.

I believe Tom Brady is a product of BB and his coaching staff. I believe they developed Brady into what he is today. The Patriots' success has to be credited to, by large, to Bill Belichick. Certainly Brady should be in the hall of fame in the future, but I will say this..like Montana, you take Brady out of New England or away from Belichick, and I doubt he'd be as successful anywhere else. That's just me.

On a side note of the hall of fame debate, let's be assured that Tom Brady is a shoe in for the hof, and he rightly should be. People get too caught up in stats and numbers, but when you are leading your team to the Super Bowl almost every single freakin' year, you don't have to have the best stats in the NFL to be considered a future Hall of Famer. With that said, I still hate the New England Patriots and I dislike Brady, the player.
Brady and Belichik are products of one another - a perfect marriage of clutch QB and great X's and O's coach. Belichik was widely regarded as a D-coordinator in over his head before Brady fell into his lap (thanks no less to a Bledsoe injury). I doubt Belichik wins any of his Super Bowls without Brady since they were all decided by 3 points or less. On another note, both are very fortunate to have had Adam Vinatieri as their kicker. It would be very ironic if the AFC Championship came down to a Vinatieri FG at the gun.

Ask a Dolphins fan if they would want Marino's state or Brady's SB wins. I bet about 99% pick the SB wins.

No joke. I'll never knock Marino; he's a legend for a reason. However if I have to pick between the two to win a single playoff or championship game, it's Brady every time. 12-1 lifetime in the postseason says it all.

No joke. I'll never knock Marino; he's a legend for a reason. However if I have to pick between the two to win a single playoff or championship game, it's Brady every time. 12-1 lifetime in the postseason says it all.Out of that 12-1 record, how many of those games were games that the Patriots wouldn't have won with some average QB? Maybe 3-4 tops. The Pats are a good team and Brady is a great QB, but if your sample size is 13 games, you don't prove very much.

Its becaus that when it came down to the win in the 4th he did what was needed to win the game. Yes the Chargers made mistakes but they had a chance at the end to win the game but failed.
What do you mean, he did what was needed? He threw an interception, and then he got lucky and the Pats got the fumble. My point is he threw and interception at a key moment, Troy Brown did what was needed for them to win the game, by stripping the ball, Brady got his team into a mess by throwing 3 interceptions and one crucial inteception in the fourth quarter.

Out of that 12-1 record, how many of those games were games that the Patriots wouldn't have won with some average QB? Maybe 3-4 tops. The Pats are a good team and Brady is a great QB, but if your sample size is 13 games, you don't prove very much.

If we're talking regular season I'd agree 13 games is a small sample. But when that sample of 13 games is from the post season only, it definitely means something. Any way you slice it, a 12-1 post season record is very impressive.

Lets face it, in a fair world, the Patriots lose 9/10 times yesterday. By all accounts, the Patriots were outplayed yesterday. But the world isn't fair. A bunch of supposedly random events came together yesterday to bail Brady's ass out of 3 interceptions. When it came down to the wire, the Patriot defense stiffened, and the Charger defense had some gaping holes to throw into. Brady just did what he's paid to do on that drive.

I said yesterday that the game chooses it's champion. Obviously thats not decided yet (I hope), but the game "decided" that despite the talent discrepancy yesterday, the Chargers were going one and done. The Chargers were the best team in the league, but they, like every other team in history, needed some good fortune to win in the playoffs. They didn't get any. Of the 5 fumbles that were put on the ground by both teams, all 5 were recovered by the Patriots.

Therefore, rings is not a reasonable arguement of QB play, it simply doesn't tell you anything. It's the ultimate goal, it isnt how you get there.

The following guys have rings in the last 10 years:
Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer
Kurt Warner

When do these guys get their HOF tickets?

In Brady's six years as a starter, he has yet to outperform Manning in ANY season. The question of who is better is downright ridiculous.

"The game chooses it's champion?" What the hell does that mean? Is "the Game" some dark spirit in a cloak that waves a magic wand? A little pixie that appears out of thin air and zaps one team with magic? Why are we even watching the damn game then?

The world isn't fair? Recovering fumbles is luck? Overcoming three interceptions is luck?

BS. Yes, the Pats got some breaks yesterday but if San Diego had been good enough to stop Brady when it mattered then it becomes a moot point.

Winning in the playoffs requires luck, but in the same breath we're supposed to accept the the fact that the Chargers are "the best team in the league" because winning in the regualr season doesn't require luck?

San Diego didn't get it done when it mattered, Brady and the Pats did. That's the end of the story and the way it will be written.

Brady is the best money-time QB in the game and his 12-1 postseason record says it all; it's silly to argue with this.

If we're talking regular season I'd agree 13 games is a small sample. But when that sample of 13 games is from the post season only, it definitely means something. Any way you slice it, a 12-1 post season record is very impressive.No doubt it's impressive, its any coaches dream to have that much success. Obviously the Pats have done a great job just putting themselves in the playoffs all these years. But why have they avoided failure in the playoffs while the rest of the teams eventually meet their end? Not because Brady or Belichick are that much better than anyone else. Recovering 5 out of 5 possible fumbles helps. Sometimes the ball just bounces your way.

Of course luck plays a part sometimes, but when you have a 12-1 post season record and 3 trophies, you ARE that much better than everyone else.

If we're talking regular season I'd agree 13 games is a small sample. But when that sample of 13 games is from the post season only, it definitely means something. Any way you slice it, a 12-1 post season record is very impressive.

Exactly my point. 12-1 is astonishing.