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BigSKINBauer 01-11-2007, 09:31 PM ESPN.com: SPORTSNATION - SportsNation Trivia (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/ballot?event_id=2738&incoming=1)
A nice little ballot for fans
I can't believe one of the main points people against monk use is that only skin fans think he should be in. He has the most votes of the 17
Gmanc711 01-11-2007, 09:49 PM Honestly.....
If Monk dosent get in this year, I dont know if he ever gets in. This is a very weak class.
ArtMonkDrillz 01-11-2007, 10:41 PM ESPN.com: SPORTSNATION - SportsNation Trivia (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/ballot?event_id=2738&incoming=1)
A nice little ballot for fans
I can't believe one of the main points people against monk use is that only skin fans think he should be in. He has the most votes of the 17
Well, we're part of a big fan base.
J/K
That arguement is complete BS, because if you look back at the telecasts from old games you constantly hear the announcers saying things like "future hall of famer Art Monk," and whatnot.
gibbsisgod 01-11-2007, 10:47 PM Honestly.....
If Monk dosent get in this year, I dont know if he ever gets in. This is a very weak class.
Sadly, I believe that people will point to the "weak class of '07" as the only reason Monk ever got in in the first place, and I think thats disgusting.
The Huddle 01-11-2007, 10:58 PM He retired in 1995 so he was eligible in 2000 and apparently his numbers were not deemed good enough then or anytime since, now its 2007 and they just dont seem HOF worthy anymore. I think thats part of the rationale for the 5 year wait, to see if a players numbers hold up and for whatever reason it appears that Monk's didnt.
Numbers have nothing to do with the five year wait. They are viewed relative to the era the player competed in. Go check Lynn Swann's numbers if you don't believe me. Utterly pedestrian by todays standards.
When Monk set the single season reception mark with 106 in 1984, 100 catches in a season wasn't good, it was outrageous.
sportscurmudgeon 01-12-2007, 12:23 AM There are four offensive lineman on this list of finalists who were simply outstanding for their career.
Russ Grimm played just about every position on the line when they needed him to do it. And he was way better than adequate wherever he had to play. At OG he was outstanding.
Bob Kuechenberg was on the 1972 Dolphins undefeated team and was probably the best OL in the team's history.
Bruce Matthews played tackle, guard and center at various times in his 18 year career with Houston/Tennessee. I think he still holds the record for most consecutive games played by an O-lineman.
Gary Zimmerman made the NFL All-Decade Team for the 1980s AND he made the NFL All-Decade Team for the 1990s. That sort of tells you something about his abilities.
Frankly, all four deserve to be in the HoF but it's not likely more than one will get in here.
dblanch66 01-12-2007, 01:36 AM Numbers have nothing to do with the five year wait. They are viewed relative to the era the player competed in. Go check Lynn Swann's numbers if you don't believe me. Utterly pedestrian by todays standards.
When Monk set the single season reception mark with 106 in 1984, 100 catches in a season wasn't good, it was outrageous.
So true. Again. Name one receiver playing today that is better than Monk. ONE. Not only that, how many receivers have broken the 100 catch mark????? More than once?
dblanch66 01-12-2007, 01:37 AM Sorry....
Dallas Sucks.
SmootSmack 01-12-2007, 01:51 AM So true. Again. Name one receiver playing today that is better than Monk. ONE. Not only that, how many receivers have broken the 100 catch mark????? More than once?
Well I mean I love Monk. But there are some great receivers in the league today. And a few who've had more than two seasons of 100+ catches:
Marvin Harrison-115 in 1999, 102 in 2000, 109 in 2001, 143 in 2002
Rod Smith-100 in 2000, 113 in 2001
Randy Moss-106 in 2002, 111 in 2003
Incidentally-Randy Moss (2002) 106 receptions, 12.7 ypc, 7 TDs
Art Monk (1984) 106 receptions, 12.9 ypc, 7 TDs
GhettoDogAllStars 01-12-2007, 09:23 AM Well I mean I love Monk. But there are some great receivers in the league today. And a few who've had more than two seasons of 100+ catches:
Marvin Harrison-115 in 1999, 102 in 2000, 109 in 2001, 143 in 2002
Rod Smith-100 in 2000, 113 in 2001
Randy Moss-106 in 2002, 111 in 2003
Incidentally-Randy Moss (2002) 106 receptions, 12.7 ypc, 7 TDs
Art Monk (1984) 106 receptions, 12.9 ypc, 7 TDs
I love Monk too, but I have to say that Marvin is better. I think he's my favorite player in the NFL -- and he's not even a Redskin! He'll be a first ballot HOFer, even if they don't win a Superbowl.
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