Now we know why Brunell kept dinking and dunking

No they don't. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. I am sure you know this, but I can't believe you are really advocating executing our salary cap and roster based on honor or whatever? Mark Shouldn't be expected to give back any money for the same reasons the Skins should have no compunction about cutting him loose. It's a business. Otherwise, maybe we should give Stephen Davis a little extra money.If we cut Brunell we save something like 1.5 million for next season. Is there a backup out there who is better for this offense than MB who we can sign for 1.5 or less? It would have to be a Todd Collins like contract given to a far better QB.

I agree with you on the part about the front office,but i dont agree with you about brunell,he knew he was hurt the first yr and didnt say anything{or if he did thats just another screwup by the powers that be)and I think he knew something wasnt right with him this yr,playing with pain is one thing,but playing with pain to the detriment of the team is anotherCan we agree upon the fact that if the coaches are unaware of an injury (presumably because said player doesn't disclose it), his performance should be graded as if he wasn't injured? Great, thanks.

Jamf notes that Mark Brunell outperformed Jason Campbell this year. I'm going to assume you agree because you do not dispute his point. So regardless of some injury, why in the heck would you want Gibbs and Co. to NOT be playing our best 11 offensive players. To me, if he was playing JC from the start, given our sky high expectations this year, and we ended up going 4-12, that would be far more damning to me than failing to disclose an injury to the media.

MB had a higher Yards Per attempt Average and More plays over than 20 yards( Ave per game) than JC.

I'm glad the switch to JC was made. Now we can move on to a new era. But, MB played better than JC. JC didn't throw downfield either, he dumped off to Cooley and still missed those throws!


I think the statistics in this situation are a bit misleading. The Brunell guys like to throw around his high completion percentage and efficiency, but there were obvious shortcomings from Brunell's play that were exposed once Cambell took over.

The main problem that people had with Brunell was the dink and dunks. Brunell may have had more 20+ yard completions, but how many of those were actually passes over 20 yards? Usually it was an 8 yard pass that was YACed for more by the receiver. Teams didn't respect Brunell's ability to throw deep, which forced Portis to run with eight in the box, 90% of the time. Campbell comes in, and teams are forced to respect the deep ball. Betts benefits directly from this and has a pretty good season, because teams are only able to commit 5 or 6 to the run. Otherwise, they'd be scorched over the top by Campbell.

And who gives a shit about efficiency and yards per attempt, when all it means is Brunell will efficiently lose if Washington gets behind in the game? At least with Campbell, I know he's going to make every attempt to win the game. I was at the end of the season debacle against the Giants, and if it was Brunell going into the fourth quarter down by 14, I would have left. Since Campbell was playing I had hope, and he led two fourth quarter touchdown drives. Brunell would have found ways to take sacks or throw it away on 4th down.

No they don't. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. I am sure you know this, but I can't believe you are really advocating executing our salary cap and roster based on honor or whatever? Mark Shouldn't be expected to give back any money for the same reasons the Skins should have no compunction about cutting him loose. It's a business. Otherwise, maybe we should give Stephen Davis a little extra money.

I do know that contracts arent gauranteed. I meant his Signing bonus and the cap hit we would take if we did cut him. Some people want him to restructor just we can cut him...

I think the statistics in this situation are a bit misleading. The Brunell guys like to throw around his high completion percentage and efficiency, but there were obvious shortcomings from Brunell's play that were exposed once Cambell took over.

The main problem that people had with Brunell was the dink and dunks. Brunell may have had more 20+ yard completions, but how many of those were actually passes over 20 yards? Usually it was an 8 yard pass that was YACed for more by the receiver. Teams didn't respect Brunell's ability to throw deep, which forced Portis to run with eight in the box, 90% of the time. Campbell comes in, and teams are forced to respect the deep ball. Betts benefits directly from this and has a pretty good season, because teams are only able to commit 5 or 6 to the run. Otherwise, they'd be scorched over the top by Campbell.

And who gives a shit about efficiency and yards per attempt, when all it means is Brunell will efficiently lose if Washington gets behind in the game? At least with Campbell, I know he's going to make every attempt to win the game. I was at the end of the season debacle against the Giants, and if it was Brunell going into the fourth quarter down by 14, I would have left. Since Campbell was playing I had hope, and he led two fourth quarter touchdown drives. Brunell would have found ways to take sacks or throw it away on 4th down.
And I think he got 1 win out of those TD drives.
Campbell missed too many throws, And most were easy ones to make.

Who cares about efficientcy? Campbell was under 50% on third down plays. That means no long drives without a 50+ yard play. Can we honestly rely on huge gains for scoring every game?

Who cares about Yard Per attempt? It proves that campbell dinks and dunks it as much as MB, And thats with the safeties playing deep!

Also,Brunell Didnt take many sacks. Actually he was sacked less than JC.
and no one throws the ball away on fourth down...

I agree that the running game benefited from campbell being in there.

But campbells short coming are he is inaccurate and throws the ball to defenders. Hopefully that will be fixed with another year. But he did not play better than brunell, IMO.

:food-smil

For clarification: what blame are you speaking of? For the season on the whole or a specific event?

We would crucify a player that took himself out of a game for non visible injury.
Could you imagine what we would say if brunell took himself out of a game in the 4th quarter saying his arm wasnt there today.

JG has the responsibility of starting the best QB for the team each week. He clearly thought it was brunell regardless of injury.
Gibbs, the QB coach and Saunders see all of MB's throws in practice. They should be able to tell if he had an injured arm.

Btw, Do people honestly want Todd Collins on the roster next year?

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Btw, Do people honestly want Todd Collins on the roster next year?

As the 3rd QB... sure why not?

He knows this offense and can be a valuable asset for Campbell as he continues to learn the offense.

We would crucify a player that took himself out of a game for non visible injury.
Could you imagine what we would say if brunell took himself out of a game in the 4th quarter saying his arm wasnt there today.

JG has the responsibility of starting the best QB for the team each week. He clearly thought it was brunell regardless of injury.
Gibbs, the QB coach and Saunders see all of MB's throws in practice. They should be able to tell if he had an injured arm.

Btw, Do people honestly want Todd Collins on the roster next year?

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I think we did rag on a player who took themself out of a game this year but I can't remember who it was or if they played for the Skins. If you look at the number MB moved the ball as well as JC and we had to give him the chance to get the job done. We had to many other factors which cost us games to know if he hurt us while in the game. We switched QB at the right time and I feel JC will improve with more time. If the coaches would have started JC lets say after game 2 and lost as many games as he did when he did start everyone would be yelling about why did we make a change at QB.

I just remember who that player was who took themself out of the game in the 4th and it was Micheal Vick and people gave him a hard time for doing so.

I thought it was obvious,I blame them both
wtf!! you broke your ankle and scored 6 goals! what do you do when your ankles not broke? are you mario lemeiux?

I had hockey in my blood. That was when I was in JV hockey. I was a varsity caliber player as a freshman, but had no room at the time on the varsity team, so I was the captain of the JV team and it was a joke for me. The most I ever scored in a game was 6 but I did that 2 times.
Just so you know, we lost that game 13-12, and I feel that my normally tough D was weak and helped us to lose the game.