Now we know why Brunell kept dinking and dunking

And - remember, late in the year, even Santanna (who I tend to believe) was saying that Brunnell was still "winging" the ball around in practice. If the player is making plays in practice, and is denying any serious injury to the coaches, then it is hard to blame the coaches for not benching the player based on the injury.

I still like Mark as a back-up w/ a renegotiated contract, but he does seem to have a tendency towards "playing with pain" in a manner that does not help the team (two years ago). If he is altering his decision making based on the injury effects, then he needs to be honest about that with the Saunders and Gibbs.

Brees' injury was severe and a complete tear from the bone.

Before you jump all over the Skins keep in mind an injury like this is not easy to diagnose because of how deep in the shoulder it is. Read the medical link I provided above. Medicine is not an exact science like some may want to believe.

The coaches should have diagnosed it when they kept watching the QB throw the ball 3 yards on 3-10.

He's a tough guy, no doubt. But his body is breaking down--time to take a step back. He'll be fine as a vet backup who take very few reps--that way he'll be healthy, and if we need him for a short stint, he'll do the job.

Matty's right, medicine isn't an exact science. that's why I wonder if he'll be recovered enough by camp to play. If not, I wouldn't be surprised if he retires.

Matty's right, medicine isn't an exact science. that's why I wonder if he'll be recovered enough by camp to play. If not, I wouldn't be surprised if he retires.

I highly doubt it. He has the look of one of those guys that just doesn't know when to hang it up like Kurt Warner or Goose Gossage. He'll have to be forced out of the game.

I don’t understand what you guys are so upset about. What was Gibbs supposed to do? At the beginning of the season everyone was screaming Super Bowl. He knew there was no way a rookie was going to get us there, so he had to give Brunell a shot at it, even if he wasn’t 100%. I didn’t hear you all screaming about him letting Portis play injured, and how he was an idiot for not playing Betts the entire time. MB is a veteran, he's knows the players and the system and he can keep calm and make good choices in stressful situations. Gibbs has never been a coach to pin all the glory on the QB. They come and go with him and he believes it takes a lot more than a great QB to win a Super Bowl. I don't find it surprising at all that he chose to keep Brunell in for as long as he thought there was a shot. You all go way over board criticizing MB. He was a decent QB, and was totally capable of getting us to a Super Bowl. This season cannot and should not be pinned on him.

You all go way over board criticizing MB. He was a decent QB, and was totally capable of getting us to a Super Bowl. This season cannot and should not be pinned on him.

I don't think it's the least bit overboard to criticize the decision to continue starting a 36 year old quarterback with an injury that keeps MLB pitchers out of the lineup for a full year, no matter who's decision it was. Brunell obviously knew something was wrong with his shoulder and I'm not 100% convinced the coaching staff didn't know about it at all.

And I agree that Brunell would have been fine if the rest of the team executed every other of the aspect of the game perfectly, but when the team needed a playmaker Brunell was nowhere to be found. We'll never know truly how long his shoulder was injured, but either way, the plug should have been pulled on his season far earlier.

I don't think it's the least bit overboard to criticize the decision to continue starting a 36 year old quarterback with an injury that keeps MLB pitchers out of the lineup for a full year, no matter who's decision it was. Brunell obviously knew something was wrong with his shoulder and I'm not 100% convinced the coaching staff didn't know about it at all.

And I agree that Brunell would have been fine if the rest of the team executed every other of the aspect of the game perfectly, but when the team needed a playmaker Brunell was nowhere to be found. We'll never know truly how long his shoulder was injured, but either way, the plug should have been pulled on his season far earlier.

They were talking on Andy Pollen's show today (after reading the report) that MB had been injured from week 2 on.

I think a lot of us here made speculation that Brunell was hurt during the season since his passing accuracy sucked anywhere beyond 10 yards.
I am quite annoyed at Brunell...he HAD to have had pain in the shoulder and never said a word???? Very disappointed.

They were talking on Andy Pollen's show today (after reading the report) that MB had been injured from week 2 on.

Nice... So obviously it was known within the organization, and yet Gibbs would stand at the podium every week and talk about how well Brunell played and that he was fine, knowing he was injured... :banghead: