Bigger choke: Tony Romo or Phil Mickelson

But isn't it his position? Hasn't he been the holder all year long?

Yes but IMO that was not a choke. All this choking stuff is crazy.

I know your a knowledgeable football fan. Romo is a young Qb that does not have a lot of game experience, just like JC. He is going to be really really good. You can see he has very good ability. He needs a full off season of being the starter just like JC. Saying that he choked cause he dropped a snap is ridicules. So did Terry Glen choke when he fumbled and gave Seattle two points? Did Bradie James choke when he let Stevens run by him? Choking is Jean Van De Velve or Houston Oilers letting Buff come back from 31 down.

As for Gibbs he deserves the heat that he gets. Horrible FO moves and some poor coaching will get you ripped. I hope he turns it around. But remember, Gibbs 1 had a GM and Ritchie Petibone.

Okay, I have to hand it to you, you do make good points there. I still don't see anything but a choke though when it comes to Romo messing up that field goal attempt though. What you see as a choke is different than what I see is a choke, obviously. I guess choking is a pretty subjective term though.

On the Gibbs front, I agree that he has made some blunders in the front office, but he made just a few coaching mistakes this year, definitely bringing Al Saunders to run the offense, Gibbs bread and butter, was a huge transition. Like I say to everyone, what happened after that '04 season? Did we not make it to the playoffs that next year? I have faith that the right adjustments will be made just like after that season.

How are there so many posts on a thread with Phil Mickelson in the title?

While I'm not one to discourage Romo bashing and he certainly shanked a couple easy throws in that game, the real blame and choke job goes to the Dallas receiving corps. Glenn's fumble (I still doubt he even caught that ball in the first place), TO's late drop on a 3rd and 1 (how stupid was THAT call?), and the other receivers did their best to short arm everything against a rookie secondary. Terrible, terrible effort by the wide receivers of the Cowboys. They should shoulder much of the blame in that loss.

While I'm not one to discourage Romo bashing and he certainly shanked a couple easy throws in that game, the real blame and choke job goes to the Dallas receiving corps. Glenn's fumble (I still doubt he even caught that ball in the first place), TO's late drop on a 3rd and 1 (how stupid was THAT call?), and the other receivers did their best to short arm everything against a rookie secondary. Terrible, terrible effort by the wide receivers of the Cowboys. They should shoulder much of the blame in that loss.
The reason Glenn's was a catch is because he had full control of the ball and did not use the ground to catch or trap the ball. He just lost his balance and while controlling the ball used it for balance. If it was shifting or moving in his hands at any time it would have been ruled as incomplete and he had already taken a step before it had touched the ground.

Okay, I have to hand it to you, you do make good points there. I still don't see anything but a choke though when it comes to Romo messing up that field goal attempt though. What you see as a choke is different than what I see is a choke, obviously. I guess choking is a pretty subjective term though.

On the Gibbs front, I agree that he has made some blunders in the front office, but he made just a few coaching mistakes this year, definitely bringing Al Saunders to run the offense, Gibbs bread and butter, was a huge transition. Like I say to everyone, what happened after that '04 season? Did we not make it to the playoffs that next year? I have faith that the right adjustments will be made just like after that season.

Joe Gibbs is no dummy. I'll give him a pass on 04. But he's got to adopt to today's football a little better. I hope to see more of a diverse offense next year. I'm going to watch this thing on NFL Netowrk on Fri. about the 91 Skins and remember the good old days.

Joe Gibbs is no dummy. I'll give him a pass on 04. But he's got to adopt to today's football a little better. I hope to see more of a diverse offense next year. I'm going to watch this thing on NFL Netowrk on Fri. about the 91 Skins and remember the good old days.

I think he'll adapt and I think he's been adapting, hopefully this season was just a fluke, if the team could have won just of few of those real close games they played (I can count at least five) we wouldn't be having this discussion. But, it is what it is. I think next season will be much better.

The reason Glenn's was a catch is because he had full control of the ball and did not use the ground to catch or trap the ball. He just lost his balance and while controlling the ball used it for balance. If it was shifting or moving in his hands at any time it would have been ruled as incomplete and he had already taken a step before it had touched the ground.

I don't think he had control prior to it hitting the ground. It looked to me like he was actively dropping it, it hits the ground, and then he wraps his hands around it. Do you hold balls really well when you are slipping to the ground? Probably not. The idea that he had control prior to it hitting the ground does not seem beyond question to me. I don't even know that Parcells specifically challenged that aspect of it because he challenged it so quickly. If Parcells only challenges the fumble, and not the catch, was the catch itself ever reviewed?

Probably worse was a WR fumble in the first half. There is no way the guy made a football move before the ball came out, yet Parcells never challenged it. The play's forgotten because it didn't result in any points, but I seriously doubt that was a real turnover.

The Cowboys receivers were flatout awful catching the ball. Even the QB dropped the ball. I'll concede most of Romo's throws were not perfect, but you'd think maybe the wide receivers would try and catch them anyway?

So, does Romo call in sick for Hawaii? I'd suggest that.

I don't think he had control prior to it hitting the ground. It looked to me like he was actively dropping it, it hits the ground, and then he wraps his hands around it. Do you hold balls really well when you are slipping to the ground? Probably not. The idea that he had control prior to it hitting the ground does not seem beyond question to me. I don't even know that Parcells specifically challenged that aspect of it because he challenged it so quickly. If Parcells only challenges the fumble, and not the catch, was the catch itself ever reviewed?

Probably worse was a WR fumble in the first half. There is no way the guy made a football move before the ball came out, yet Parcells never challenged it. The play's forgotten because it didn't result in any points, but I seriously doubt that was a real turnover.

The Cowboys receivers were flatout awful catching the ball. Even the QB dropped the ball. I'll concede most of Romo's throws were not perfect, but you'd think maybe the wide receivers would try and catch them anyway?

So, does Romo call in sick for Hawaii? I'd suggest that.

I think what all these events proves is that Romo was overrated from the get-go. I don't doubt that he'll be a very good QB for years to come (not even close to Manning or Brady territory, though), but he isn't nearly what he was all hyped up to be after that Thanksgiving smackdown the Cowboys laid on the eventual 4-12 Tampa Bay Bucs. Like I saw on one of the sports websites, it was, "The Fall of Romo" Saturday night!

I think what all these events proves is that Romo was overrated from the get-go. I don't doubt that he'll be a very good QB for years to come (not even close to Manning or Brady territory, though), but he isn't nearly what he was all hyped up to be after that Thanksgiving smackdown the Cowboys laid on the eventual 4-12 Tampa Bay Bucs. Like I saw on one of the sports websites, it was, "The Fall of Romo" Saturday night!He was good this year and one isolated event proves nothing. But with that said, his situation reminds me of Jake Delhomme far more than it reminds me of Tom Brady.