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12thMan 01-01-2007, 02:43 PM the skins have a "plethora" of talent and it's been 3 years for gibbs. do you want to fire joe gibbs?
Wolf, Gibbs record speaks for itself. In fact, it's not too much better than Denny Green's. If Gibbs were someone else, he would most definitely be on the hot seat this year, no question about it. You can slice the old, I love Gibbs and his three rings, any way you like, but he's not getting it done.
If you like, you can go to my profile and read plenty comments and threads I've posted on the subject.
Gmanc711 01-01-2007, 02:44 PM Add Jim Mora to the list:
ESPN.com - NFL - Grounded: Falcons fire Mora after 7-9 season (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2716540)
Schneed10 01-01-2007, 02:57 PM While Gibbs and Green may have both ended up in similar places after three years, Gibbs did make the playoffs in his second year. Green didn't come close. So directly comparing them after three years isn't quite fair.
Green has made zero progress. Gibbs showed progress and then tanked it. Plus the fact that Gibbs has a hall of fame reputation kind of matters a little bit.
Green deserved it, Gibbs doesn't.
BUT... I don't think you fire a coach just because he deserves it. That's the wrong reason. You only fire them if you feel that bringing in a new coach will make your team better. If Green has lost the locker room, then making a change might make sense. But if he still had the locker room, it comes down to can you find a better coach? That's always the hard part.
12thMan 01-01-2007, 03:13 PM While Gibbs and Green may have both ended up in similar places after three years, Gibbs did make the playoffs in his second year. Green didn't come close. So directly comparing them after three years isn't quite fair.
Green has made zero progress. Gibbs showed progress and then tanked it. Plus the fact that Gibbs has a hall of fame reputation kind of matters a little bit.
Green deserved it, Gibbs doesn't.
BUT... I don't think you fire a coach just because he deserves it. That's the wrong reason. You only fire them if you feel that bringing in a new coach will make your team better. If Green has lost the locker room, then making a change might make sense. But if he still had the locker room, it comes down to can you find a better coach? That's always the hard part.
I can deal with that, but I never inserted Gibbs into the conversation. I simply responded and made a correlation of the records.
jsarno 01-01-2007, 03:20 PM the skins have a "plethora" of talent and it's been 3 years for gibbs. do you want to fire joe gibbs?
The Skins made the playoffs, and there are a lot of other different circumstances in this. Like all the injuries the SKins had, and the fact that Gibbs is a proven commodity and a Washington hero.
Green was nothing to Arizona but someone that was supposed to bring glory to the team and that didn't happen.
ps- after this dismal performance, firing Gibbs has crossed my mind, but I want to give him 1 more year. His first year we expected a poor showing. Last year we overacheived, gotta give Gibbs credit. This year we underachieved, so he deserves 1 more year.
jsarno 01-01-2007, 03:23 PM oops accidentally hit send reply.
I wanted to say:
Green went 6-10, 5-10, 5-10...had Gibbs done that, then yes, he would have been fired too.
Longtimefan 01-01-2007, 03:27 PM How is it that we just somehow seem to know when certain coaches are hired in certain places, they're going to get fired?........"Shortly......
jsarno 01-01-2007, 04:14 PM How is it that we just somehow seem to know when certain coaches are hired in certain places, they're going to get fired?........"Shortly......
Well, 95% get fired, so it's not exactly a long shot there.
But knowing one will not succeed is not rocket science. Arizona has a losing mentality, probably always will. Green was not set up for success there.
724Skinsfan 01-01-2007, 05:04 PM I actually see a brighter future for the Cards. Leinart looks like he will become a decent QB, they have the best talent at WR, Edge has a couple more years, a brand new stadium, Soome of their defensive players look very sharp. They need an O-line coach, someone that can put together a solid group and get them all on the same page. Arizona with an o-line would be a dangerous opponent.
djnemo65 01-01-2007, 08:17 PM How is it that we just somehow seem to know when certain coaches are hired in certain places, they're going to get fired?........"Shortly......
It's kind of like that Seinfeld where you know a restaurant is going to go out of business based on its location. "Very bad man!" Arizona and Detroit are kind of the NFL's equivalent of that.
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