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jsarno 01-01-2007, 01:35 AM I dont, and most of the people I know dont do things they normally dont do :confused:. Anyway it was classless and embarassing as a fan to be associated with those who booed.
I think you guys are overreacting...it's not like they threw stuff at him.
GTripp0012 01-01-2007, 01:45 AM I'm starting more than threads than Kidwell! I have to make my year end quota!
It's sad what happened to Mark Brunell last night. Honestly, if I were at the game I'm not sure what I would have done. I think it's easy to sit back at home and say it was classless, although it most definitely was.
I imagine two things were going on in people's(is that a word) minds: People got caught up with what the masses were doing at the moment and decided to join in on the booing. Secondly, I think in the minds of people Mark Brunell is symbolic of what many 'think' is wrong with the Redskins this year. High priced, under achieving free agent. Perhaps he just represents it all in one person.
One thing's for sure no one get's praised or booed like a quarterback. It's going to always come back to the quarterback no matter what or no matter who he is. You could have a running back that stinks it up and a quarterback that stinks it up, the fans will blame the QB 99% of the time.
So while I think it was definitely directed at Brunell, I'm think there may have been a few more elements at play...of course, a few brews will always add fuel to the fire.I've become notoious for my defense of Brunell over the past 2 1/2 months, so you guys can take this with a grain of salt, but I'm gonna say it anyway.
Look, I absolutely HATE the Denver Broncos. I was the happiest non-Chiefs fan in America when they got knocked from the playoff picture. But when Jay Cutler got knocked from the game, the Denver faithful gave Jake Plummer thunderous applause.
Mark Brunell 2006 (9 games): 162/260 (62.3%), 1789 yards (6.88 yards/attempt), 8 TDs, 4 INTs, 86.5 QB Rating (#11 in league)
Jake Plummer 2006 (12 games): 175/315 (55.6%), 1994 yards (6.33 yards/attempt), 11 TDs, 12 INTs, 70.5 QB Rating (#28 in league)
It's pretty damn near fact that Mark Brunell was playing better football at the time of his benching than Jake Plummer was. So for Plummer to recieve applause while Brunell gets booed just tells me (unfortuantely) that the Broncos fans understand the value of veteran leadership, and that Redskins fans simply do not. I'm going to stop short of admitting that they are smarter than us...
Luckily I can come to the Warpath, to a community of fans who, on the whole, are rational and intelligent, and understand just how classless that display was.
Happy New Year!
(A lasting reminder that 2006 is finally over)
jsarno 01-01-2007, 01:57 AM I've become notoious for my defense of Brunell over the past 2 1/2 months, so you guys can take this with a grain of salt, but I'm gonna say it anyway.
Look, I absolutely HATE the Denver Broncos. I was the happiest non-Chiefs fan in America when they got knocked from the playoff picture. But when Jay Cutler got knocked from the game, the Denver faithful gave Jake Plummer thunderous applause.
Mark Brunell 2006 (9 games): 162/260 (62.3%), 1789 yards (6.88 yards/attempt), 8 TDs, 4 INTs, 86.5 QB Rating (#11 in league)
Jake Plummer 2006 (12 games): 175/315 (55.6%), 1994 yards (6.33 yards/attempt), 11 TDs, 12 INTs, 70.5 QB Rating (#28 in league)
It's pretty damn near fact that Mark Brunell was playing better football at the time of his benching than Jake Plummer was. So for Plummer to recieve applause while Brunell gets booed just tells me (unfortuantely) that the Broncos fans understand the value of veteran leadership, and that Redskins fans simply do not. I'm going to stop short of admitting that they are smarter than us...
#1, I watched the game (my wife is a Broncos fan) and I do not recall "thunderous applause".
#2, It's amazing how fast we forget just how bad Brunell played. If I had to take a guess, I'd guess that out of his 260 attempts, 240 of them (maybe more) were attempts of 10 yards or less. Honestly, he should have had over 70% completion when he was too much of a pussy to throw it downfield. We all remember the 22 straight completions, and 20 of them were 10 yards or less...well laaa-dee-daa. He got booed for his blatent disregard for the offensive system. He flat out refused to leave his confort zone, and utilyze his weapons. I wouldn't have booed him, but I don't blame a single soul for the dismal play of Brunell.
I am Mr. Stathead and use stats to prove points constantly, but you can't prove a thing with Brunell stats. You had to watch, and I didn't miss a single play.
onlydarksets 01-01-2007, 02:37 AM Boo the coaches, not Brunell. He sucked, but, really, he should not have been starting this year in the first place.
Pocket$ $traight 01-01-2007, 03:06 AM Boo the coaches, not Brunell. He sucked, but, really, he should not have been starting this year in the first place.
Thank you for preaching the truth.
GTripp0012 01-01-2007, 04:01 AM #1, I watched the game (my wife is a Broncos fan) and I do not recall "thunderous applause".
#2, It's amazing how fast we forget just how bad Brunell played. If I had to take a guess, I'd guess that out of his 260 attempts, 240 of them (maybe more) were attempts of 10 yards or less. Honestly, he should have had over 70% completion when he was too much of a pussy to throw it downfield. We all remember the 22 straight completions, and 20 of them were 10 yards or less...well laaa-dee-daa. He got booed for his blatent disregard for the offensive system. He flat out refused to leave his confort zone, and utilyze his weapons. I wouldn't have booed him, but I don't blame a single soul for the dismal play of Brunell.
I am Mr. Stathead and use stats to prove points constantly, but you can't prove a thing with Brunell stats. You had to watch, and I didn't miss a single play.Plummer was applauded while Cutler was still down on the field. What's interesting is that when Cutler came back, he got equal applause from the crowd. Supporting your own QB...what a novel concept.
I can't prove the generalization that Brunell dumped every play either right or wrong, but my only defense for that is this: his 6.88 yards/attempt. You'd think if defenses didn't respect his ability to go anywhere else but the flats, they could have creeped on him, but apparently none did.
I believe Brunell was attacking a phallicy in NFL defenses. With all the speed in NFL back 7's today, few teams can tackle that flat dumpoff efficiently enough to stop the offense. Thus Brunell took the easy pass every time it was given to him. That probably caused a few failed conversions on 3rd downs, yes, and thats certainly on him. But considering he completed more than a yard per pass more than Campbell did, I'm very surprised they (Al after Campbell became the QB) went away from it. Theres no reason to suspect that Campbell wouldn't have been able to improve his yards/attempt if he attacked D's the same way Brunell did, and he probably would have scored more points for us doing it.
The consecutive completions record is nice and all, but meaningless by itself. However Brunell also threw for 261 that game (9.67 yard/att) and still a solid 7.1 yards per attempt even if that Portis 74 yd shovel is to be counted as a run, which it wasn't on the stat sheet. So although a good % of his passes went underneath, he completed stuff in that game no matter where he threw it, and THAT is what the completion record represents. Campbell couldn't have done that because he's going to miss more than 1 out of every 20 underneath throws.
If the Texans (or teams in general) aren't going to prevent the short stuff, why would you risk a longer throw? I don't know, but for JC's first 5 starts, thats what happened.
The Huddle 01-01-2007, 01:14 PM Boo the coaches, not Brunell. He sucked, but, really, he should not have been starting this year in the first place.
Amen. I'm sick and tired of people shooting the messengers. If people have a problem with the way players are performing, boo the people who brought them in here.
jsarno 01-01-2007, 04:22 PM Plummer was applauded while Cutler was still down on the field. What's interesting is that when Cutler came back, he got equal applause from the crowd. Supporting your own QB...what a novel concept.
I can't prove the generalization that Brunell dumped every play either right or wrong, but my only defense for that is this: his 6.88 yards/attempt. You'd think if defenses didn't respect his ability to go anywhere else but the flats, they could have creeped on him, but apparently none did.
I believe Brunell was attacking a phallicy in NFL defenses. With all the speed in NFL back 7's today, few teams can tackle that flat dumpoff efficiently enough to stop the offense. Thus Brunell took the easy pass every time it was given to him. That probably caused a few failed conversions on 3rd downs, yes, and thats certainly on him. But considering he completed more than a yard per pass more than Campbell did, I'm very surprised they (Al after Campbell became the QB) went away from it. Theres no reason to suspect that Campbell wouldn't have been able to improve his yards/attempt if he attacked D's the same way Brunell did, and he probably would have scored more points for us doing it.
The consecutive completions record is nice and all, but meaningless by itself. However Brunell also threw for 261 that game (9.67 yard/att) and still a solid 7.1 yards per attempt even if that Portis 74 yd shovel is to be counted as a run, which it wasn't on the stat sheet. So although a good % of his passes went underneath, he completed stuff in that game no matter where he threw it, and THAT is what the completion record represents. Campbell couldn't have done that because he's going to miss more than 1 out of every 20 underneath throws.
If the Texans (or teams in general) aren't going to prevent the short stuff, why would you risk a longer throw? I don't know, but for JC's first 5 starts, thats what happened.
The fact that Brunell and Campbells % were so close (in yards / attempt) show that Brunell didn't throw downfield. Campbell didn't complete as many passes, yet have similar numbers???? If you have 2 attempts, one for 16 yards, and 1 incomplete, that's an everage of 8 per attempt. But if you complete 2 passes for 12 each, and the other incomplete, that averages out to 8 per attempt. Also, YAC counts. So if Brunell throws a screen to Moss and it goes 20 yards, he didn't throw the ball 20 yards, he threw it 1 yard and Moss did the rest. Campbell threw very few screens, Brunell lived off them.
skinsguy 01-01-2007, 06:57 PM There is nothing that anyone can say that would justify booing Mark Brunell for him simply coming onto the field. It is a very classless act and it reflects worse on the fans than it does the player. Hey, MB didn't have a very good year this year, but he did what he could to contribute to the team. Even if the guy isn't successful this year, he has busted his butt for our entertainment. Sure, he makes the money, but can you blame him? We all want a bigger piece of the pie, don't blame the guy for being in the position to get it.
mike340 01-01-2007, 10:11 PM Here's when you can boo a player at home:
When he plays better when he's being booed.
All the players I know play worse when they're beeing booed by the home crowd. Do you think that the team feels they played well this year? They can look at their record as well as we can (and probably think about it a lot more.)
If you performed better when you got criticized by your parents and friends after (or during) a bad performance then please, by all means boo. But if you're like the rest of us, don't reduce our team's chances of winning the game. We like to have our team win, and our players will play worse if they are booed by the home crowd. In addition, booing our team inspires the other team. After all, it is expected that the representatives of the "enemy" will be booed and not the "allies". So if you want to boo, be my guest. Just attach your lips to your rectum and boo. You might even enjoy it. Thank you!
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