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tdSKINS1 12-24-2006, 11:50 PM I agree Betts is doing a very good job handling the job and running well but fumbling like that is pretty ridiculous and I'm sorry to say but its not really all Betts it is the O-Line that is creating monster holes for him to run his down hill running game for 100 yards a game. I am a Portis supporter i love his game and how he blocks and doesn't fumble. And his moves, some of Betts runs for 10 yards would be T.Ds with Portis. Thats my opinion and some will probably think differently. Yea Portis did not play well this season when he did but I mean he was hurt who would. I really hate the talk of starting Betts over Portis, or getting rid of Portis. I would just throw up if they even thought about getting rid of Portis.
The Huddle 12-25-2006, 12:00 AM I love what Betts is doing, and there may be case to be made that his style is more north-south and fits the current playbook/blocking scheme better. However, there's simply not enough evidence that he's a 325-plus carries-epr-year back.
To this day I still can't quite shake the feeling that Portis is a round peg in a square hole in this system, but in terms of raw talent there's also no question in my mind that Portis is the superior back. Betts is nice to have but no way should be starting over Portis despite his excellent play as of late.
dmek25 12-25-2006, 12:09 AM betts is a quality back up that has some fumbling issues
dgack 12-25-2006, 12:26 AM betts is a quality back up that has some fumbling issues
Man, you guys kill me. I was watching the game and this is horrible, but when that happened, all I could think was "well, guaranteed the Warpath guys will be screaming about how Betts sucks and should be traded / cut now".
Betts has fumbled two times more than CP did last year (5), and has lost exactly as many as CP did (2). BFD. The replay was fairly clear, and I don't know how you defend against that, a guy had one half of his body wrapped and punched the ball out with the other hand, away from anyone on our team who could have fallen on it. It happens. SJax coughed up on a far less defensible carry and I doubt guys in St. Louis were calling for his head.
The fact is, had the defense been able to stop them ONCE out of like 5 or 6 crucial spots, that fumble would have been irrelevant and we would have won. Ladell played great and is not the scapegoat here. For once it wasn't the kicker, either.
This one is on Grilliamss and his guys.
Redskin 12-25-2006, 12:38 AM Man, you guys kill me. I was watching the game and this is horrible, but when that happened, all I could think was "well, guaranteed the Warpath guys will be screaming about how Betts sucks and should be traded / cut now".
Betts has fumbled two times more than CP did last year (5), and has lost exactly as many as CP did (2). BFD. The replay was fairly clear, and I don't know how you defend against that, a guy had one half of his body wrapped and punched the ball out with the other hand, away from anyone on our team who could have fallen on it. It happens. SJax coughed up on a far less defensible carry and I doubt guys in St. Louis were calling for his head.
The fact is, had the defense been able to stop them ONCE out of like 5 or 6 crucial spots, that fumble would have been irrelevant and we would have won. Ladell played great and is not the scapegoat here. For once it wasn't the kicker, either.
This one is on Grilliamss and his guys.
The fumble blew the game for us there is no question of that. The defense's stop in over tiome was a pretty big stop if you ask me.
dgack 12-25-2006, 12:50 AM The fumble blew the game for us there is no question of that. The defense's stop in over tiome was a pretty big stop if you ask me.
I guess you missed the 17 unanswered points before Ladell even had the chance to fumble. And the total collapse right before Wilkins missed the automatic FG. And the special team collapse, allowing a 33 yard return to essentially hand the game to them.
The big "stop" we had in OT was preceded by a freaking 30 yard pass play, BTW. So, what, preventing a single first down in like a quarter or two is acceptable to you?
We allowed 25 fricking first downs, 7 more than our average. That's one less than HOUSTON allows, and only a few less than Chokeland and Arizona.
Sorry, there is no way you can claim the defense didn't roll over in this one.
Redskin 12-25-2006, 12:58 AM I guess you missed the 17 unanswered points before Ladell even had the chance to fumble. And the total collapse right before Wilkins missed the automatic FG. And the special team collapse, allowing a 33 yard return to essentially hand the game to them.
The big "stop" we had in OT was preceded by a freaking 30 yard pass play, BTW. So, what, preventing a single first down in like a quarter or two is acceptable to you?
We allowed 25 fricking first downs, 7 more than our average. That's one less than HOUSTON allows, and only a few less than Chokeland and Arizona.
Sorry, there is no way you can claim the defense didn't roll over in this one.
If you werent so quick to flame you could realize that Betts blew our chance to win the game with that fumble, easily within field goal range in a dome and he was running well enough to draw enough clock and kick a field goal for the win.
But becuase you are so quick to flame i expect a full flame on this post too about how the defense blew it for us in the long run well that fumble was a pivital play in the game for us not an ongoing problem like the defense.
Dont Bother responding to my post
Marry Christmas
saden1 12-25-2006, 01:15 AM Man, Skins fans turn on you on a dime. I don't get this whole Betts vs Portis issue. We have two capable backs and the one that gives us the best chance to win will be on the field. Portis is a proven commodity but great players emerge when players ahead of them gets injured. Betts has stepped it up big time and if he gets the nod over Portis I'll be comfortable with that but he will have to live up to what we have come to expect from Portis. Either way just f'ing win baby.
dgack 12-25-2006, 01:19 AM If you werent so quick to flame you could realize that Betts blew our chance to win the game with that fumble, easily within field goal range in a dome and he was running well enough to draw enough clock and kick a field goal for the win.
But becuase you are so quick to flame i expect a full flame on this post too about how the defense blew it for us in the long run well that fumble was a pivital play in the game for us not an ongoing problem like the defense.
Dont Bother responding to my post
Marry Christmas
If I was flaming, I wouldn't be backing up my argument with stats, homepiece. It's like when you lose on a bad spot or instant replay call by the officials. If you put your team in a situation where all their chances hinge on one single event, you probably aren't a very good football team anyway.
Call it flaming all you want, but the fact remains we had 28 seperate downs to get a turnover and prevent 17 unanswered St. Louis points, and gave up 12 first downs in that span, that, had we made a stand at any point, would have prevented a St. Louis score.
Do you realize we allowed the Rams to score more points today than any other game they played this season except the LIONS? And these guys play Arizona and San Fran twice a year.
If pointing this stuff out means I'm "quick to flame" then call my lawyer, because I'm guilty as charged, guv'na...
dgack 12-25-2006, 01:21 AM No kidding Saden. I wasn't even trying to say Betts is better than Portis, just that it isn't Betts' fault, and that coughing up one ball after basically being the entire offense for most of the game does not mean you deserve to be skewered and broiled alive.
Have you guys gotten so used to the defense just not playing football, that you don't even bother holding them responsible anymore? I don't get it at all.
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