Pointless Stats

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Stacks42
12-24-2006, 05:38 PM
Is this driving anyone else insane? The commentators bringing up these completely pointless stats, there is now a stat for everything. ex. (first qb to throw for a 25 yard gain in the last minute of the third quarter in four consecutive games since 1985).

cpayne5
12-24-2006, 05:41 PM
Is this driving anyone else insane? The commentators bringing up these completely pointless stats, there is now a stat for everything. ex. (first qb to throw for a 25 yard gain in the last minute of the third quarter in four consecutive games since 1985).

Haha. I'm just glad I'm not the poor soul being tasked with keeping track of stuff like that.

jdlea
12-24-2006, 05:52 PM
I thought this thread was gonna be about guys racking up yards and a couple touchdowns before waiting for the opportune time to fumble the game away...

dgack
12-25-2006, 12:56 AM
I thought this thread was gonna be about guys racking up yards and a couple touchdowns before waiting for the opportune time to fumble the game away...

Hey, can you change your title from Brunell Hater to Betts Hater so we can get it out of our system? Seeing as how Mark isn't here to scapegoat the losses on anymore, it's the least you can do...

CanadianSkin
12-25-2006, 02:36 AM
Hey, can you change your title from Brunell Hater to Betts Hater so we can get it out of our system? Seeing as how Mark isn't here to scapegoat the losses on anymore, it's the least you can do...

How does someone change that title anyway? I was wondering how to do that. Thanks for the help.

onlydarksets
12-25-2006, 05:37 AM
How does someone change that title anyway? I was wondering how to do that. Thanks for the help.

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GTripp0012
12-25-2006, 08:29 AM
Is this driving anyone else insane? The commentators bringing up these completely pointless stats, there is now a stat for everything. ex. (first qb to throw for a 25 yard gain in the last minute of the third quarter in four consecutive games since 1985).I agree, it's a pain in the ass.

To accurately use stats to understand football, one must sift through the ones that have no outcome on the game.

Hey Stacks, did you know that teams that kneel the ball 3 or more times during the course of a game win more than 99% of the time? Man, the Redskins should really consider taking more knees....

Pretty much any time a stat includes "if such team does this...then they will win X % of the time"....you can be pretty confident its a bad stat. I mean, there are some examples of the above that have basis in reality such as avoiding/creating turnovers, and scoring in the redzone, but those are just obvious ones. And then you get into what consitutes a turnover. Technically if a team drives down the field into the opponents territory, and fumble inside the redzone, thats a turnover, whereas going 3 and out from your own 20 and punting to give field position to the opposition at midfield is NOT a turnover, however clearly worse for your team.

It's all about finding the stats that correlate to success.

jdlea
12-25-2006, 02:08 PM
Hey, can you change your title from Brunell Hater to Betts Hater so we can get it out of our system? Seeing as how Mark isn't here to scapegoat the losses on anymore, it's the least you can do...

Seriously...I'm skeptical of Betts. I don't know why he doesn't get any of the blame after he blew a chance to win a football game. Yeah, the D did too, how many times do I have to say that? But let's get real, you have 2 minutes on the clock, you're driving into the opponents territory, you break a run that Clinton would have scored on because he has breakaway speed, but you get run down and then proceed to put it on the ground. Was it a nice punch at the ball? Yeah. However, should you have expected it? Yeah, you probably should have. That fumble ties you for third in the league. (yup I was wrong yesterday, but I was the only one saying about stats, too) Do I think he should get cut? No. Do I think he shouldn't play? No. Is he best option the Skins have right now? Yes. If Clinton fumbled that ball would I have said that Clinton fumbled the game away? You're damn right I would have. I'm one of the few consistent people on this board. So because I think that Betts fumbling contributed to the loss (which it did) I all of a sudden Betts? No, I hate everyone's infatuation with him and the thought that the Skins are somehow better off with Ladell Betts at running back. Do I think the Skins win with Clinton in there yesterday? I don't have a clue, but I don't think he fumbles that ball.

So, all in all, shotty defense did lose that game, but I'm giving a big assist to Ladell Betts. He had a lot of yards and a couple TD's: very nice, but I'm not playing fantasy football, I wanna win games. You know when plays are made to win games? In the fourth quarter, not the early third. The Skins can't rely on that defense to hold any lead, especially not one against an offense like the Rams who can score TD's from any part of the field. Am I happy Betts fumbled? Not by any stretch of the imagination. I wish he had taken it to the house and they had crushed the Rams. However, he didn't and he did fumble the ball. That directly contributed to the loss of the football game. Does the loss hang solely on him? No. I've said that one million times. However, his stats, while pretty, seem pretty useless considering the biggest mistake of that game was made by him...

jsarno
12-25-2006, 02:34 PM
Seriously...I'm skeptical of Betts. I don't know why he doesn't get any of the blame after he blew a chance to win a football game.

#1- no one is perfect.
#2- Betts single handedly has won us games.
#3- 80% of the league could have fumbled that ball...it was a perfect defensive move.
And most importantly
#4- If we won, we lose out on a higher draft pick. If we win, we only hurt ourselves from here. So losing actually helps us. Not that we're cheering for a loss....oh wait, I'll try your approach:
Are we cheering for a loss? No.
Are the skins playing to lose? No.
Will the Skins get a higher draft pick when they lose? Yes.
Is anyone perfect? No.
Is answering every one of your questions annoying? YES.

Give Betts a break, it's his first full time RB gig. I don't see people going after Campbell's throat when he messes up either, because we all know there are growing pains involved. We all saw the fumble and all got pissed...but it's part of the process. You can't learn to win without learning to lose.

jsarno
12-25-2006, 02:36 PM
Is this driving anyone else insane? The commentators bringing up these completely pointless stats, there is now a stat for everything. ex. (first qb to throw for a 25 yard gain in the last minute of the third quarter in four consecutive games since 1985).

I just learn to live with it. Take what you will from it. They provide the stats, it's up to us to interpret them. Some are completely useless, and some are beneficial to our assumptions and conclusions.

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