Defense let us down!

You do realize were a 5-10 team right? Why do people keep venting like were a playoff team, we had no shot at the playoffs and we lost to a team that does. Ladell had one bad play and it may have happen to cost us the game, but i dont agree with you there, Ladell did more too win this game than he did too lose, he should never had been in that position to begin with, the defense continues too give games away, and for some reason Al Saunders doesnt understand that a 2 TD lead doesnt mean the games over, dont put this on Ladell because your pissed off, look at all the good things he has done.

Well said!

There's no doubt the D is garbage, but they've been garbage all year. They shouldn't have been in that position. All he has to do is NOT fumble. His strengths are: 1. running to daylight 2. Going down when the first defender touches him and 3. Fumbling the football.

How many times has he fumbled this year? I believe its twice. You honestly have to stop with this "Betts lost us the game crap". He gave us a 2 TD lead and your still bitching about him losing the game for us, sometimes I wonder if people just bitch for the sake of bitching, because im sure you were arguing with friends last week about how good Ladell is, just shut up already!

First of all, a big reason I'm pissed is because of all the beer I've been drinking. Second, the D is doing exactly what I expect them to do, namely, be a sorry excuse for an NFL defense. That's what they've done all year, so it's hard for me to get pissed about the D doing what they always do. The offense should realize the D sucks and try to outscore other teams. That's about all they can do. Take on the Colts philosophy or something, I don't know. I'm really pissed at Betts because people act like he's some kind of savior when in his 5 100 yard games I think they've had 2 wins and he went on to fumble this one away. We can run around in circles talking about stops and TD's, so I'm not gonna go there, but if he doesn't fumble they win. Period. Like I said in another thread, if the Skins call heads then they probably win. The D is bad, I concede that, for the 1000000th time this season. That just makes me put more owness on the O to step up and not put them in positions like Ladell did today.

We would've probably been blown out if it wasn't for Betts! Get off his back already!

How many times has he fumbled this year? I believe its twice. You honestly have to stop with this "Betts lost us the game crap". He gave us a 2 TD lead and your still bitching about him losing the game for us, sometimes I wonder if people just bitch for the sake of bitching, because im sure you were arguing with friends last week about how good Ladell is, just shut up already!

No, I never argued about the greatness of Ladell Betts, so read the site and get your facts straight! No, he's fumbled 6 goddamn times this season! What are you even talking about? Why don't you look up some stats before you decide to try to attack someone. And you know what? Clinton scores a TD on that play because he has breakaway speed...

Whatever, you guys are all right! 6 fumbles in one season where you've started upwards of 6 games should be totally excusable, especially considering 2 of them cost you a chance to win a football game. And if they don't, all of a sudden, they're 7 - 8 with a shot, albeit unlikely, of sliding into the playoffs, however undeserved it may be. So don't act like it didn't mean anything.

I've been consistent with my skepticism of Betts all year. How about you look that up before you try to accuse me of changing my tune.

Ladell Betts, in limited action this season, is tied with JP Losman (a guy who is more prone to fumble because he gets blindsided and touches the football more) for second most fumbles this season. He only trails Andrew Walter (another QB in the same boat as Losman). Wow, kinda puts that into perspective...

I am forced to agree...lets be serious for a second...defensively we are a joke...Although Andre Carter is looking like a real player...however, anyone who can't stop this mindboggling support of Betts needs to look at their football knowledge...I dont know how many of you played Division I Football but I have (which is probably why I dont post a lot here because I thinkthat there are only a few of you I read who regularly make any football sense). Betts has cost us another game...first, if I had the holes he had I could run for 1000, not one of those 1000 yards goes to him it is his offensive line...when have you ever seen Betts put a move on someone. Second, he is the most fragile runner I've ever seen who goes down at the slightest bit of contact. Third, he can't pass block to save his butt. Fourth, can all of that "should we move portis crap" if he was healthy with the way the offensive line was playing he'd have 3, 000 yards. Fifth, if we were smart we would have traded Betts butt and tried like hell to sign a beast in Duckett; for real, who gives a crap if Betts can catch out of the backfield if someone ain't open with the damn recievers we have everyone should be cut...we shouldn't NEED a pass catching back!!! Betts should have beed traded!!!!

No, I never argued about the greatness of Ladell Betts, so read the site and get your facts straight! No, he's fumbled 6 goddamn times this season! What are you even talking about? Why don't you look up some stats before you decide to try to attack someone. And you know what? Clinton scores a TD on that play because he has breakaway speed...

Whatever, you guys are all right! 6 fumbles in one season where you've started upwards of 6 games should be totally excusable, especially considering 2 of them cost you a chance to win a football game. And if they don't, all of a sudden, they're 7 - 8 with a shot, albeit unlikely, of sliding into the playoffs, however undeserved it may be. So don't act like it didn't mean anything.

I've been consistent with my skepticism of Betts all year. How about you look that up before you try to accuse me of changing my tune.

I honestly cant believe you think its ok for the defense too suck but not OK for Betts too have a mistake, it happens, even the great ones fumbled, the guy has racked up over 1,000 yards in half a season, Im not pushing for Betts to start over Portis and never will, but stop putting the loss on a guy that rushed for 129 yards and 2 TD, not to mention that was his fifth straight 100 yard game

I dont know if you know this or not, but the D gave up over 600 yards today, damn betts only if you could have scored five more TDs you wouldnt suck so much, and only if Randle El was psychic, he should have known it would have been heads, please just stop talking, your really making your self look worse and worse each time

I am forced to agree...lets be serious for a second...defensively we are a joke...Although Andre Carter is looking like a real player...however, anyone who can't stop this mindboggling support of Betts needs to look at their football knowledge...I dont know how many of you played Division I Football but I have (which is probably why I dont post a lot here because I thinkthat there are only a few of you I read who regularly make any football sense). Betts has cost us another game...first, if I had the holes he had I could run for 1000, not one of those 1000 yards goes to him it is his offensive line...when have you ever seen Betts put a move on someone. Second, he is the most fragile runner I've ever seen who goes down at the slightest bit of contact. Third, he can't pass block to save his butt. Fourth, can all of that "should we move portis crap" if he was healthy with the way the offensive line was playing he'd have 3, 000 yards. Fifth, if we were smart we would have traded Betts butt and tried like hell to sign a beast in Duckett; for real, who gives a crap if Betts can catch out of the backfield if someone ain't open with the damn recievers we have everyone should be cut...we shouldn't NEED a pass catching back!!! Betts should have beed traded!!!!


Well since you played Division 1 football and you think you have more Knowledge than anyone else, tell me how its Betts fault when your defense gives up over 600 yards of offense and 37 points?

I am forced to agree...lets be serious for a second...defensively we are a joke...Although Andre Carter is looking like a real player...however, anyone who can't stop this mindboggling support of Betts needs to look at their football knowledge...I dont know how many of you played Division I Football but I have (which is probably why I dont post a lot here because I thinkthat there are only a few of you I read who regularly make any football sense). Betts has cost us another game...first, if I had the holes he had I could run for 1000, not one of those 1000 yards goes to him it is his offensive line...when have you ever seen Betts put a move on someone. Second, he is the most fragile runner I've ever seen who goes down at the slightest bit of contact. Third, he can't pass block to save his butt. Fourth, can all of that "should we move portis crap" if he was healthy with the way the offensive line was playing he'd have 3, 000 yards. Fifth, if we were smart we would have traded Betts butt and tried like hell to sign a beast in Duckett; for real, who gives a crap if Betts can catch out of the backfield if someone ain't open with the damn recievers we have everyone should be cut...we shouldn't NEED a pass catching back!!! Betts should have beed traded!!!!

Are you serious "trade Betts and sign a beast like Duckett" amazing, your football knowledge is a little overblown, maybe you shouldnt post anymore after rediculous comments like that, maybe you did play Div. 1 football but your head definately got knocked around one to many times!