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Bill B 12-20-2006, 12:04 PM Whoa, Bill! Keep it light. My intentions were for meant for humorous purposes only. Sorry for any misunderstandings.
No problem.
I am giving up the GM issues entirely at this point because most of the posters are sick of it and it is most likley a moot point anyway because Gibbs has stated things are not changing at the Park.
Sorry for any misunderstandings to you guys.
TheMalcolmConnection 12-20-2006, 12:07 PM In short, I'll just say this about the GM issues. If we have the successes we've had over the past three years with player acquisition and talent evaluation, GM or no, I'll be happy. The majority of our picks have panned out. There aren't many teams that can say that.
There are 32 teams in the league. How many have a GM, or reasonable facimile..........31? How many are truly successful with their GM, talent evaluation, player aquisition? 20%, 15%??????
skinsfan69 12-20-2006, 03:44 PM I've posted this before, but here are a few points that need to be addressed when anyone defends the personnel decision making of Joe Gibbs the Personnel Decision Maker:
--Giving former wideout Darnerian McCants a $2 million bonus a week before he was declared inactive and subsequently released...
--Giving up a 3rd round draft choice for Mark Brunell who was going to be cut by Jacksonville anyway...
--Giving up Champ Bailey AND a 2nd round choice for Clinton Portis...
--Letting go of Antonio Pierce, who's made it his career long vendetta to bring his game of the year performance every time he plays the Redskins...
--Giving up a 3rd and 4th round draft choice, plus a $10 million bonus for Brandon Lloyd who won't come anywhere near his career averages for catches...
--Giving Randle El a $10 million signing bonus when we already had 3 capable kick returners in Thrash, Betts, and Cartwright...
--Giving up a 3rd round choice for T.J. Duckett who won't get more than 50 carries for the season...
--Trading up in the '06 draft for Rocky McIntosh, losing next year's 2nd round choice when he can't even unseat Warrick Holdman or any other of the incompetent buffoons we have playing on defense...
--Adam Archuleta -- do we need an explanation about him?
--The defense is old, needs to be completely overhauled and gutted, and we haven't nearly enough draft picks next year to address a third of the needs on that side of the field.
These are not the moves of a smart front office.
Look at the sports page of the Washington Times today. If anyone can post it's a good article.
skinsfan69 12-20-2006, 03:50 PM I would not have a problem is CC coming back to our front office. Since he has left things have been pretty bad. When he left (if anyone can remember) he set the team up really good. He left it in real good shape. And the Texans problems are not all his fault.
I would not have a problem is CC coming back to our front office. Since he has left things have been pretty bad. When he left (if anyone can remember) he set the team up really good. He left it in real good shape. And the Texans problems are not all his fault.
So he gets credit for the good things, but no blame for when things haven't worked out??
Beemnseven 12-20-2006, 03:56 PM There are 32 teams in the league. How many have a GM, or reasonable facimile..........31? How many are truly successful with their GM, talent evaluation, player aquisition? 20%, 15%??????
No one denies this. No one ever said it was easy to succeed in this league. Player acquisition is a tricky business, and plain 'ol luck is a large part of it.
The problem we have is, the same strategy is being used over and over again with the same pathetic results. Even since Gibbs' return, the "hits" that front office defenders are so quick to point out have amounted to a 21-25 record!
I don't think anyone assumes that once we have someone in Redskin Park with "General Manager" on his office door the fortunes of this team will magically lead us straight to a Lombardi Trophy. But it's all about what direction you're headed in, and whether you've experienced enough to learn from your past mistakes. I've said this over and over, and I'm growing tired of saying it -- but we know which strategy with regard to player-personnel doesn't work. Getting away from that philosophy -- regardless of the title of the person that changes it -- will signal that this organization is at least on the right track.
Just curious, what will it say for this current front office if the team makes the playoffs again next year?
Beemnseven 12-20-2006, 04:04 PM Just curious, what will it say for this current front office if the team makes the playoffs again next year?
2 playoff seasons and 2 losing seasons? I'd call that a mixed bag, inconsistency.
What do you call a 21-25 overall record?
More importantly, what would you call it if Joe Gibbs weren't the head coach and team president?
The Zimmermans 12-20-2006, 04:05 PM I think we just need gibbs to evaluate talent on his own or not at all. He picked campbell, which seems to be working out, he picked brunell....who DID take us to the playoffs....he didn't pick ARCH. The key is for there to be one final decision maker, not three. With three, you get three different gameplans, three different approaches, three different needs. So Gibbs needs to step up and take full responsibility or lay off completely with personnel.
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