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GTripp0012 12-14-2006, 03:33 AM As far as Brunell averaging one more yd per pass play than Campbell or whatever it is, again if we compare apples to apples I'm willing to bet it's a different story. In other words, if they both have the same number of attempts, I betcha Campbell's numbers look better. That's the only way to truly compare that number.Well, that's why you do per attempt stats to standardize the numbers.
Obviously the more attempts you have, the more accurate the stats will be. But that doesnt favor one QB over the other. The truth is that you can quite easily compare apples to apples, and I have been this whole time.
SmootSmack 12-14-2006, 03:35 AM Well, that's why you do per attempt stats to standardize the numbers.
Obviously the more attempts you have, the more accurate the stats will be. But that doesnt favor one QB over the other. The truth is that you can quite easily compare apples to apples, and I have been this whole time.
Well, as I mentioned in an earlier post, Brunell's total attempts in his last 4 starts is almost exactly the same as Campbell's total in his first 4 (121 vs. 122)
GTripp0012 12-14-2006, 03:37 AM vs. Minnesota 4-13
vs. Dallas 2-14
vs. Houston 9-13
vs. Jacksonville 7-14
vs. Giants 3-11 (0-1 on 4th down)38%. Hmm. One must wonder if this trend may show that Campbell will also start coverting 3rd downs more efficiently now.
Can't really say anything conclusive, but its something to watch for.
GTripp0012 12-14-2006, 03:41 AM Well, as I mentioned in an earlier post, Brunell's total attempts in his last 4 starts is almost exactly the same as Campbell's total in his first 4 (121 vs. 122)It's certainly a good comparison.
RobH4413 12-14-2006, 04:21 AM Just cause I'm bored.
Brunell
vs. Tennessee 5-12 (30th ranked pass defense)
vs. Indy 6-14 (2-2 4th down) (3rd ranked pass defense)
vs. Dallas 5-13 (0-1 4th down) (21st ranked pass defense)
vs. Philly 3-13 (4th ranked pass defense)
Campbell
vs. Tampa 4-13 (2-2 4th down) (10th ranked pass defense)
vs. Carolina 4-15 (6th ranked pass defense)
vs. Atl 6-14 (25th ranked pass defense)
vs. Philly 7-16 (4th ranked pass defesne)
Got the rankings from Ask The Commish.com - Statistical Power Ranking (http://www.askthecommish.com/powerrankings/statistical/index.asp)
I don't know how respectible this website is, but I just thought it was something to throw out there. Now that I did it, it really doesn't provide me any insight, except that it's probably a pretty good comparison of the two.
IMO it seems that Brunell probably would have finished the season a little better, but I still think we wouldn't have made the play-offs (all speculation of course). I'm hoping JC's learning curve starts to kick it into overtime over the off-season, and that he can really develop some timing with his receivers.
I'm pretty optimistic about next season. The draft should provide us with some upgrades on defense, and assuming we keep our core players... the unit should be hungry in 2007. Mabye we'll get a few more turn-overs next year. That would be nice.
The Zimmermans 12-14-2006, 10:54 AM Brunell's passes for first downs in last four games:
8 Tennessee
12 Indy
10 Dallas
6 Philly
Campbell's passes for 1st downs:
12 Tampa
3!!!!! yikes Carolina
13 Atlanta
10 Philadelphia
Very Comparable
The Zimmermans 12-14-2006, 10:58 AM I don't have the exact numbers, but I read somewhere (I'll attempt to find a link, it was either on ESPN.com or Football Outsiders) that the Skins offense has decreased in every passing category except TDs, including 3rd down conversion pct.
3rd down conversions and three and outs are not the same thing
mike340 12-14-2006, 09:57 PM Unfortunately, our defense has also been very successful at avoiding 3 and outs.
Our 3 and outs are pretty much the same under Campbell as they were under Brunell.
Our offense has done a good job this year avoiding 3 and outs.
mike340 12-14-2006, 10:01 PM I think you mean 36.5% Brunell vs. 36.2% Campbell. (They had 52 third-down situations, not 42 in Brunell's last 4 games.)
45% for Brunell, 36% for Campbell.
I would be interested to see if Brunell's last four games are consistent with his first five games. Ideally, you want the sample size to be bigger than 4 games, but with JC thats all you have.
Redskin 12-14-2006, 10:50 PM I think you mean 36.5% Brunell vs. 36.2% Campbell. (They had 52 third-down situations, not 42 in Brunell's last 4 games.)
Guys honestly there is no question that Brunnel would win more games then campbell right now, the price of having a rookie. Dont judge Campbell now though judge him next year when you are wishing we kept Brunnel :)
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