A Tale of Two Teams...

Do you have any analysis on the TJ Duckett move in regard to the draft picks we used on that one?

The Duckett trade is at the top of the list of the worst things our FO has done. That isn't just hindsight either.

The Duckett trade is at the top of the list of the worst things our FO has done. That isn't just hindsight either.

Have patience, Matty is going to find some analysis that may tell us the skins really snookered everyone on this deal.

You maintained in a prior thread that all AS was brought in to do was tweak the current Gibbs O and modernize it. It was not a new O just a tweak of the old. I said that a 700 page playbook looked like a new O to me but you insisted it was just a tweak. I'm glad you now see the acquisition of AS for for what it is, a new O.

It should have been a tweak from a philisophical point of view, an upgrade to the base system. I think the major adjustment has come in the players getting used to the way he calls games, and him getting accustomed to his players and learning their strengths and weaknesses. And the fact he had to scale back things for Brunell.

The Duckett trade is at the top of the list of the worst things our FO has done. That isn't just hindsight either.

And if Portis was out for an extended period time, Betts did not blossom as he has, (which is a shock) what would you say to that? FO fu.........no good backup. Insurance in any form is EXPENSIVE. Try going through without it. And.............largely , if not totally, it goes unused. But.......we all have it

But a lot of teams have that problem. Look how injuries hurt the Eagles last year. Look how the Giants' swoon this year coincided with guys getting hurt. Look how the Panthers buried themselves in a hole they are struggling to get out of now when they lost the first two games of the year without Steve Smith.


SWOON????????? Who would have thought. Useage is EVERYTHING! YOU are the man!

I'm stealing this post from another board to outline what we really gave up in trades in terms of the points system teams use for trades. I constantly see people saying we get ripped in trades (which isn't true), so here's some details:





source: EXTREMESKINS.com - Campbell Trade/McIntosh Trade (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184323)

I certainly appreciate the analysis, but it’s premised on the point system as being an accurate measure of draft value, which I disagree with based on your following:
“Note: the 2006 picks are valued as a round later because they were future picks. Consider it interest.”
So in essence what this is saying is that if you want to spend next year’s draft picks this year, then they’re worth less today. This sums up our cap mgmt. & use of draft picks – burn em now even if it decreases the value we have next year. Simply put, we are paying the “interest” you refer to, to other teams.
There’s a time & place for such trades. As I mentioned earlier I thought the JC trade was a good one because we needed to get a young qb & start developing him asap. On the other hand, was the Loyd trade worth a 3rd & 4th? Add to that he got 1st rnd. Bonus $ & will eat a lot of cap space for years, only to be outplayed by James Thrash. I’m not trying to bash Gibbs & co. for their moves in hindsight. As I said before, they’ve made some wise fa signings. I just feel like the spend now approach to draft picks is catching up w/us & we don’t have nearly enough to show for it. If in 04 Gibbs had made a commitment to keeping all our picks plus signing fa’s along the way, this team could be in great shape. We could actually do both; sign fa’s & draft well.

You maintained in a prior thread that all AS was brought in to do was tweak the current Gibbs O and modernize it. It was not a new O just a tweak of the old. I said that a 700 page playbook looked like a new O to me but you insisted it was just a tweak. I'm glad you now see the acquisition of AS for for what it is, a new O.

I would argue that is it simply a more extensive and felxible version of the old O.

It should have been a tweak from a philisophical point of view, an upgrade to the base system. I think the major adjustment has come in the players getting used to the way he calls games, and him getting accustomed to his players and learning their strengths and weaknesses. And the fact he had to scale back things for Brunell.

I agree that it should have been but it wasnt.

I'm talking about since Gibbs came back.

The players we aquired in 2004 were the foundation of the playoff run in '05.

Ok, since Gibbs came back the Skins are 20-25.

That playoff run in '05 looks more and more like a fluke with each loss in '06. Read Jason La Canfora's take on the 5-game winning streak last season here:

A Tale of Two Teams - Redskins Insider (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2006/12/a_tale_of_two_teams.html#more)

Fluke my ass. Winning 6 games in a row in this league, 3 against division opponents, isn't a fluke and isn't something anyone should have to apologize for.

Last year things clicked at the right time. The offense leaned heavily on the ground game and played old style Redskins football, and the defense was playing lights out.

There's not much use to compare them to this year's team. Different offense, different players, and different circumstances.