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Schneed10 12-13-2006, 12:59 PM I agree that two players will indeed help. But if had those two players this year with the way we've played, I'm not sure it would make that much of a difference.
What we do agree on is that the scheme needs some tweaking, not overhauling, but some tweaking.
Exactly what would you tweak? I don't see how anyone can say a scheme needs tweaking unless they can describe exactly what needs to be done and why it will work.
William's scheme is still the same, he just can't deploy it. No scheme change needs to be made, he just needs players that can allow him to use his entire bag of tricks.
He needs the players that allow him to bring the blitzy back.
skinsfan69 12-13-2006, 01:27 PM If Lemar Marshall is so bad, how come he had such a good year in 2005? Did he forget how to play football? Or is it maybe that last year Salave'a was healthy and stout against opposing linemen, and paired nicely with Griffin in keeping offensive linemen from beating the Skins up?
Salave'a has not been healthy this season and has not been the immovable object he was in '04 or '05. Golston has some nice quick little moves in pass rushing situations, but he's undersized and gets plowed on running plays.
Put in a big ass DT, and all of a sudden you'll be praising Lemar Marshall again next year. He'll flow to the ball more freely.
Very good point. In order for Marshall to be effective he must have strong DT's. Heck he's only 225 as a MLB. But still I would look for someone a little bigger on run downs and use Marshall in nickel situations. We really need a more impact player at MLB on run downs. I would use Marshall as Monte Colemen type of player.
skinsfan69 12-13-2006, 01:33 PM You're telling me that Gregg Williams has deliberately held the reins on Carter and is not allowing him to go after the quarterback? So then, the plummet in defensive rankings is all by design?
One could defend Andre Carter by demanding that the secondary step it up and blanket everyone like they're supposed to.
One could defend the secondary by demanding that the defensive line get the quarterback sooner. Neither positions are doing their job.
I'm not buying into the notion that Williams is somehow holding Carter back in pass rushing situations. He only averaged 4.5 sacks a year in San Fransisco before being moved to linebacker. So his "mad pass rushing skills" apparently failed him there too, -- unless of course, the 49ers had exactly the same philosophy that Gregg Williams has. I find that difficult to believe. Andre Carter is yet another hideous miscalculation in scouting personnel by this front office.
Well put! Did anyone watch film on Carter before they signed him? WTF were they thinking? Good pass rushers are like gold. You just don't let them walk away if they are any good. So why does one of the worst defenses in the NFL let him walk? I just think Carter would be more effective if they used him on passing downs ONLY. He IS NOT an everydown 4-3 DE. He's just not big enough.
backrow 12-13-2006, 01:34 PM I also said DE, for a couple of reasons.
1 -- because DB's don't need to be world beaters if they don't have to keep coverage on a play for 5-10 seconds.
2 -- because of simple math and physics. Even a small disturbance at the origin of an object's trajectory can cause a huge change, whereas often even large disturbances at the end can still be compensated for.
3 -- because DB's don't help that much in run support, either.
Well stated. I've said it for 13 straight years.
And thanks for the physics lesson. I never understood it before now!
SmootSmack 12-13-2006, 01:39 PM Very good point. In order for Marshall to be effective he must have strong DT's. Heck he's only 225 as a MLB. But still I would look for someone a little bigger on run downs and use Marshall in nickel situations. We really need a more impact player at MLB on run downs. I would use Marshall as Monte Colemen type of player.
This may be off the wall, but I'd seriously consider moving Marcus to MLB. Play Rocky and LeMar on the outsides, sign Justin Smith as a DE, and trade down for multiple picks to draft a DT (Okam, Tyler?) and a CB (Bennett, Cason?)
12thMan 12-13-2006, 01:42 PM Exactly what would you tweak? I don't see how anyone can say a scheme needs tweaking unless they can describe exactly what needs to be done and why it will work.
William's scheme is still the same, he just can't deploy it. No scheme change needs to be made, he just needs players that can allow him to use his entire bag of tricks.
He needs the players that allow him to bring the blitzy back.
I'm not smarter than Gregg Williams, so I don't know exactly what needs to be tweaked. But I do know that if you only have fifteen sacks to date, you need to switch something to compensate for weeknesses. It's just an observation, but I think it could be more than than an observation when teams are game planning for us.
He needs the players to allow him to bring back the blitz? Typically, the players that are high on sack totals or are effective blitzers tend to be of the free-lance mold, or are very aggressive in their pursuit and Gregg Williams doesn't prefer that type of player. That guy doesn't fit this system. The one year where Springs had six sacks from the corner may never happen again. If it does, I'm all for it.
Schneed10 12-13-2006, 01:50 PM I'm not smarter than Gregg Williams, so I don't know exactly what needs to be tweaked. But I do know that if you only have fifteen sacks to date, you need to switch something to compensate for weeknesses. It's just an observation, but I think it could be more than than an observation when teams are game planning for us.
He needs the players to allow him to bring back the blitz? Typically, the players that are high on sack totals or are effective blitzers tend to be of the free-lance mold, or are very aggressive in their pursuit and Gregg Williams doesn't prefer that type of player. That guy doesn't fit this system. The one year where Springs had six sacks from the corner may never happen again. If it does, I'm all for it.
UGH.
The reason he's not blitzing has nothing to do with the DEs or the LBs he has on the roster. He's not blitzing because our secondary can't hold up without coverage help from the LB corps. He needs to drop the LBs into zones or we just get gashed through the air.
12thMan 12-13-2006, 01:55 PM UGH.
The reason he's not blitzing has nothing to do with the DEs or the LBs he has on the roster. He's not blitzing because our secondary can't hold up without coverage help from the LB corps. He needs to drop the LBs into zones or we just get gashed through the air.
Well we've been getting dashed through the air anyway, haven't we?
By the way, I knew that's what you were basically saying about needing help in the secondary.
724Skinsfan 12-13-2006, 02:10 PM UGH.
The reason he's not blitzing has nothing to do with the DEs or the LBs he has on the roster. He's not blitzing because our secondary can't hold up without coverage help from the LB corps. He needs to drop the LBs into zones or we just get gashed through the air.
This is why we desperately need a #1 cover guy at CB. Everything else follows if GW has confidence in our #1 covering their #1 one on one.
Monkeydad 12-13-2006, 02:14 PM CB by far.
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