Jason Campbell..What's his time table?

Maybe something better wont come along but if it does (especially based on this organizatiuons recent history) then JC is done.

This is absurd, because we've got a stack of evidence that's proof the "sign a vet, screw developing your young talent" approach DOES NOT WORK.

I really think people are smoking something expecting Jason to come in and dominate or something. Take a look at the '98 Colts and a young guy by the name of Peyton Manning who had a bunch of < 200 yard passing games with 1 TD and 2+ INT's.

Jason will be fine, if we let him develop. And I have all confidence that they will do this. He's shown poise and leadership that we haven't seen from our other young QB's, and he's made enough plays to show that he knows how to win, IMO.

Plus, I think Gibbs is giving him the ideal situation to grow -- unlike a Jay Cutler situation where he has all this pressure to win, otherwise the team being eliminated from the playoffs gets hung around his neck! Any game the Skins play well now with JC at the helm is a confidence booster for him and if he makes mistakes (like he did yesterday) and we lose, it's not the end of the world.

If this organization gives up on Jason Campbell it's effectively saying "We Have No Idea What We Are Doing". How close we are to actually being there is up for debate. I'd like to think we're a long way from there, but we aren't winning, and for some, that's enough evidence for them.

Irish...what was Gibbs supposed to say about Ramsey?

"Well he's the guy who was here when I got here here but I think he sucks so I brought in a proven winner with diminished skills and I still think he is better than Ramsey. But In all fairness I'll just stick Ramsey in there even though I think he blows."

He said what he needed to to rally his troops and support his QB. He was trying to give PR every chance he could and keep the media off PR's back. Saying "he our guy" and saying "We are going to build around him are way different. Especially when you look at the context of the whole situation. Gibbs moved mountains to draft Ramsey. A better comparison can be made to Brunell who Gibbs also went after and brought in and has given more than enough chances too. No way JC isn't starter day 1 next year unless he is hurt.

This is absurd, because we've got a stack of evidence that's proof the "sign a vet, screw developing your young talent" approach DOES NOT WORK.

I really think people are smoking something expecting Jason to come in and dominate or something. Take a look at the '98 Colts and a young guy by the name of Peyton Manning who had a bunch of < 200 yard passing games with 1 TD and 2+ INT's.

Jason will be fine, if we let him develop. And I have all confidence that they will do this. He's shown poise and leadership that we haven't seen from our other young QB's, and he's made enough plays to show that he knows how to win, IMO.

Plus, I think Gibbs is giving him the ideal situation to grow -- unlike a Jay Cutler situation where he has all this pressure to win, otherwise the team being eliminated from the playoffs gets hung around his neck! Any game the Skins play well now with JC at the helm is a confidence booster for him and if he makes mistakes (like he did yesterday) and we lose, it's not the end of the world.

If this organization gives up on Jason Campbell it's effectively saying "We Have No Idea What We Are Doing". How close we are to actually being there is up for debate. I'd like to think we're a long way from there, but we aren't winning, and for some, that's enough evidence for them.

I'm not saying the redskins should dump JC. I am saying that based on how this organization does business the minute they think something better is available JC will be history.

This organization does not have any idea of what its doing. What have they done to make you think they do? The organization is really between a rock & hard place because they cant stay the course with what they have been doing because it clearly not working and they cant build with the draft because they have given away most of their picks. To me it sounds like an organization that is clueless. I truely think this is the lowest point the redskins have even been.

I'm not saying the redskins should dump JC. I am saying that based on how this organization does business the minute they think something better is available JC will be history.

This organization does not have any idea of what its doing. What have they done to make you think they do? The organization is really between a rock & hard place because they cant stay the course with what they have been doing because it clearly not working and they cant build with the draft because they have given away most of their picks. To me it sounds like an organization that is clueless. I truely think this is the lowest point the redskins have even been.Irish...

Theres a significant difference between making scouting errors and poor cap management...and having no idea what you are doing. The latter is a commonly used exaggeration of the former. You seem to be treating it as fact.

Gibbs and co. are inexpierenced at front office work when it comes to salary cap management and personel management. Inexpierenced and mistake prone, not stupid. There's a difference.

Also, I wouldn't say that a plan is "clearly not working" when 13 games ago, said team was in the playoffs. We really don't know why the defense is playing so poorly, but the NFL is a 16 game season. Games are decided almost completely randomly (case in point-Sunday's game. We were the better team, and Philly won), and things don't necessarily even out over the season. So I don't think a 13 game sample is enough to say that what we are doing isn't working with any degree of certainty.

I think we can all agree on the fact that giving away all our draft picks was a mistake, but only because the vets we signed were unable to produce a championship.

I think Jason had his most promising game this weekend. He made some throws that I wasn't sure he was capable of making. We were 4-8 coming into this game, so a victory would not have helped us in any way at all in the end (although I would have thoroughly enjoyed one). I saw flashes of brilliance outta jason, and that is all that matters to me. To throw two picks and then stage a comeback and put us in a position to win is very impressive. And I loved the JC Randle El connection. We converted many third downs that brunell would not have converted, which kept the eagles O off the field. Good stuff from JC in the second half.

I think Jason had his most promising game this weekend. He made some throws that I wasn't sure he was capable of making. We were 4-8 coming into this game, so a victory would not have helped us in any way at all in the end (although I would have thoroughly enjoyed one). I saw flashes of brilliance outta jason, and that is all that matters to me. To throw two picks and then stage a comeback and put us in a position to win is very impressive. And I loved the JC Randle El connection. We converted many third downs that brunell would not have converted, which kept the eagles O off the field. Good stuff from JC in the second half.

Bingo. We're building something here. Trotting a new mediocre QB in here every two years has proven not to be a very good strategy. Considering our strong RB play and that we have a good corps of WR's and TE's, I think chemistry, reps, and solid line play are all we need to start turning this thing around.

The defense, on the other hand, needs to close out the year strong. I have no idea what's going on there, but we've looked embarrassingly bad this year to the point where even our good players seem to be regressing.

Irish...

Theres a significant difference between making scouting errors and poor cap management...and having no idea what you are doing. The latter is a commonly used exaggeration of the former. You seem to be treating it as fact.

When scouting error and poor personell decisions have been going on for 10+ years its a sign of an organization not knowing what its doing.
Gibbs and co. are inexpierenced at front office work when it comes to salary cap management and personel management. Inexpierenced and mistake prone, not stupid. There's a difference.

OBC was inexperienced in pro football ways, Gibbs is not. Gibbs is a terrible personell evaluator and when he was successful in the long past he had a GM, he needs one now.

Also, I wouldn't say that a plan is "clearly not working" when 13 games ago, said team was in the playoffs. We really don't know why the defense is playing so poorly, but the NFL is a 16 game season. Games are decided almost completely randomly (case in point-Sunday's game. We were the better team, and Philly won), and things don't necessarily even out over the season. So I don't think a 13 game sample is enough to say that what we are doing isn't working with any degree of certainty.

13 games ago this team was in the playoffs but Gibbs decided he was not good enough and fired himself and brought in AS to rebuild the O. As usual, this team never builds upon anything, its rebuild, rebuild....

Again another sign of an organization that does not know what it is doing.

The team is 4-9, its not working.


I think we can all agree on the fact that giving away all our draft picks was a mistake, but only because the vets we signed were unable to produce a championship.I think we can all agree on the fact that OBC could have been a good pro coach had his team won more games. It didnt happen and neither did your scenario, again poor player evaluation, back to an organization in a mess.

See above in blue.

In a season in which our FA strategy has backfired & once again made us a laughing stock, why are some Skins fans starting to question what looks like JG's best move in the draft since he came back - trading to get JC. Gibbs clearly was thinking about the future of the team, don't even try to compare JC to the Ramsey/Brunell situation.
JC looked good after a tough 1st half yesterday, to be expected. You have to give him credit for having such a good attitude & resolve when he's taking over during a miserable time. Morale on the team has been low, speculation has been rampant & we were losing before he took over.
This is Gibbs' guy & he's gonna stick w/him next year even if JC has some tough times. It WILL pay off, this kid is for real!!

Like the goober I am, I spent quite a bit of time reviewing and grading Campbells performance against the Eagles. I wanted to do it to really look at what his issues were, and not get caught up in my own general opinions that can be influenced by the overall success of the team. I graded him based on the quality of his throws, the quality of his decisions, the type of defensive set, the quality of the line protection, and whether or not the reciever helped or hurt his cause.

What I expected to find was that the line was a major source of his problems, but the line protected amazingly well on Sunday, in fact, I only graded them poor on two of the pass plays(plays where a pass was actually thrown). What I ended up learning, and you guys have probably talked about it to death here, was pretty interesting.

#1 He has got to stop taking such big drops.
He has a big problem with this. He takes 5-7 step drops on most every play and it is hurting him. He often finds himself dropping so far back that he backs out of the pocket and then has to scramble. He needs to stop and step up, not keep falling back. This is not be design either. You can see that it breaks up the rhythm of the play and is not a design element. More importantly, it adds distance to every throw and disrupts timing. It reminds me of watching a newbie play Madden. They just keep backing up so it will take longer for the line to get to them and they can read the receivers longer, but it really is hurting them.

#2 He stares down receivers badly.
This is obvious to everyone, but he really does an awful job of this. The second interception Sunday was a good example. He was staring at Cooley from the snap and never looked anywhere else. On top of that, it was a slant and the ball placement was bad(he did not lead him over the middle, but rather put it on his shoulder to close to the break). The combination of too factors like that mean that your recievers have to make great catches just to avoid disasters.

#3 He fails to pull the trigger.
They can say what they want about him shaking off mistakes, but he didn't on Sunday. Those two picks rattled him, and it got worse throughout the game. In the NFL, you have got to deliver the ball before the break. You cannot wait to see the break and see if your receiver is open. If you do that, then the guy will be coming into a new coverage zone by the time you get the ball there. The ball must be delivered on time so that the break creates the separation you need. You have just got to trust your receivers and make an accurate throw. In the second half it got worse. He would wait to see guys open by several steps before making a throw. Now, he was smart enough to often realize that he had waited too long and that it would be unwise to throw it, and so he had to pull it down and run or look for the dump off, but that doesn't cut it. Those recievers weren't blanketed, the plays were there, he just lacked the heart to make the throws.

Conclusions
There were some other small problems too, but these are the major issues. When you put all three of those things together, you aren't going to get very many games where you play four good quarters. The good news is, every one of those mistakes is correctable. The bad news is, they are the kind of mistakes that become habits, and those habits will keep you from becoming the kind of QB you can be. I hope he can correct some of these problems. His ability to move around can be a nice asset if he can get the rest of his game worked out.

If PR wasnt Gibbs' guy from the start then why did he say he was? Dont say anything or say something about competition at QB but dont say a guy is your guy when he's not. That's why I keep saying that we cant really believe anything Gibbs says. Which is my point.

Maybe something better wont come along but if it does (especially based on this organizatiuons recent history) then JC is done.If you believe all that your saying about this teams owners, coaches , front office etc how can you root for them?