Jason Campbell..What's his time table?

I'm not comparing situations, I'm talking about what Gibbs says and what he does. Often they are very different things.

As for Gibbs endorsing PR, did he or did he not say "Patrick is our guy"?

He said what he had to at that time with Ramsey. He was their guy at that time, however briefly that turned out to be.

Now he's committed to building around Campbell, that sounds like a much stronger endorsement than he's our guy.

He said what he had to at that time with Ramsey. He was their guy at that time, however briefly that turned out to be.

Now he's committed to building around Campbell, that sounds like a much stronger endorsement than he's our guy.

PR was never Gibbs' guy and you know it but wont admit it.

I do think Gibbs is committed to JC unless something better comes along.

PR was never Gibbs' guy and you know it but wont admit it.

I do think Gibbs is committed to JC unless something better comes along.

Not sure what you mean exactly, I'm well aware that PR wasn't Gibbs guy, he wasn't from the start and that's why we shouldn't be surprised that he went back to Brunell. But he did give him a shot to take the job and he only proved why Gibbs didn't trust him. If Ramsey was good enough to hold the job he would have, problem is he wasn't good enough.

I think Gibbs is committed to JC for the long run, unless he's a disaster which I think is pretty unlikely.

Don't forget it was this front office (though admittedly, not Joe Gibbs) who brought in Jeff George when we thought all was well with Brad Johnson after the '99 season.

I won't be the least bit surprised if Snyderatto starts whispering in Joe Gibbs ear for a quality, veteran quarterback. And his name isn't Todd Collins.

Not sure what you mean exactly, I'm well aware that PR wasn't Gibbs guy, he wasn't from the start and that's why we shouldn't be surprised that he went back to Brunell. But he did give him a shot to take the job and he only proved why Gibbs didn't trust him. If Ramsey was good enough to hold the job he would have, problem is he wasn't good enough.

I think Gibbs is committed to JC for the long run, unless he's a disaster which I think is pretty unlikely.

If PR wasnt Gibbs' guy from the start then why did he say he was? Dont say anything or say something about competition at QB but dont say a guy is your guy when he's not. That's why I keep saying that we cant really believe anything Gibbs says. Which is my point.

Maybe something better wont come along but if it does (especially based on this organizatiuons recent history) then JC is done.

'99 is ages ago and pretty irrelevant to today's situation.

I think we do need to bring in a vet for the #2 spot, unless Brunell wants to hang on, but I don't think we would bring in a veteran that would be any sort of strong threat to Campbell.

I wouldn't be suprised if we brought in a vet qb in the offseason. I think JC has shown some real good things in his few games in there. Of course he's looked like a rook sometimes too but to be expected.

But i've got to say that our o-line has been pretty impressive lately and (I can't believe i'm going to say it) w/ a vet qb in there we may have been inthe playoff race this year. Don't get me wrong though I'm glad JC is in there learning. I'd rather answer this thread after 3 more games.

'99 is ages ago and pretty irrelevant to today's situation.

It's not irrelevant when the same people are here in the very same capacity. The past is the best indication of future performance.

If PR wasnt Gibbs' guy from the start then why did he say he was? Dont say anything or say something about competition at QB but dont say a guy is your guy when he's not. That's why I keep saying that we cant really believe anything Gibbs says. Which is my point.

So based on that one statement you don't trust Gibbs?

I guess it depends on what context you want to take that statement in.

You're taking it as since Ramsey wasn't his guy from the start he should have never said anything to the contrary.

I'm taking it as he might not have been his guy from the start, but given the circumstances he gave him a shot and he didn't come through.

Regardless, that's over. Campbell is the guy he gave up multiple picks to trade up to draft, and his praise of Campbell is something we never heard him give Ramsey. His eyes light up when he talks about Campbell, you can tell he's genuinely excited about his future and the way he's handling things even now.

It's not irrelevant when the same people are here in the very same capacity. The past is the best indication of future performance.

It's irrelevant based on the fact that Gibbs is now running the show and from all indications Snyder has taken a backseat. I'd even say that Snyder has learned a thing or two from his past mistakes and probably wouldn't have gone about things the same way if he could do it all over again.