The Portis move in hindsight

That's all well and good, but how is that any different from someone saying that the Redskins can win with Patrick Ramsey? The numbers say that both of those statements are false.

It's tough to make a direct comparison across two positions like that.

You could argue it either way I guess. It's true Ramsey wasn't on very good teams either.

I've said this before about this same subject... The Washington Redskins are 2-6 when Ladell Betts starts. What is your proof or even logic for that comment?

Sorry but your point is not very good. How are you going to blame Betts when TB tramples our defense?

Well for one I would not have given a 3rd rounder for Brunell. Again that's a potential starter. Try and get Brunell after he was cut and save the draft pick, ( becasue he was going to be cut) then offer him more than anyone else. I also would not try and play AC as an everydown 4-3 end. He's not big enough to hold up against the run. As for Bailey? He wanted out. Fine. Get him outta here. But try your best to get the better of the deal. Wasn't Casserly down in Houston at the time? Cassery drafted him so try and make a deal with him? Anyone. Just make sure you get the better of the deal. Get multiple draft picks for him so you set yourself up for the future. Run it like NE does. Do you think NE would ever get rid of a guy and not get fair value? No. Look how they handled Deion Branch? Rocky M. Gave up a 2nd rounder just to move up and pick the guy? If you do that then make the guy the starter right away and deal with his mistakes. Meanwhile he's on the bench and the 2nd rounder is gone. Look, I could go on and on. But the bottom line is the lack of draft picks are killing the team now. All the money is invested in the front line players. In other words the team is too top heavy.


That's a very good post. I actually agree with most of what you said. However, I think getting Portis for Champ and a 2 was a good deal. Champ wasn't coming back and that meant teams could hold out on the Skins and tell them "we'll wait till you get rid of him." The way the team was being run then, they wouldn't have let dead cap space get rid of a guy. I don't think they could have made a much better deal. I wouldn't have gotten Brunell at all, but that's up for discussion. Also, Carter had a good game last week, maybe he'll come around.

I agree that they need to keep some draft picks and stop signing so many front line guys.

While we're basing things on the Houston game...let's put Brunell back in!

Hey, I'm looking at stats of games played, to refute the notion that Betts has had "one good game". The fact is, he historically runs well when he gets carries comparable with a starting NFL RB. When he gets 5-10 carries in a game, of course he's not going to blow anybody's skirt up.

When he gets opportunities, he has taken advantage of them.

Sorry but your point is not very good. How are you going to blame Betts when TB tramples our defense?

My point isn't very good? You said that the Redskins can win with Betts, and yet, history has show that the Redskins lose 75% of the time when Betts starts. How is my point not very good?

And I blame Betts for the Tampa game for the fumble he gave away on a potential scoring drive.

Sorry but your point is not very good. How are you going to blame Betts when TB tramples our defense?

Because Betts fumbled that game away

Because Betts fumbled that game away

Are you seriously pinning that loss all on Betts?

Hey, I'm looking at stats of games played, to refute the notion that Betts has had "one good game". The fact is, he historically runs well when he gets carries comparable with a starting NFL RB. When he gets 5-10 carries in a game, of course he's not going to blow anybody's skirt up.

When he gets opportunities, he has taken advantage of them.

He has been alright when given the chance. However, he hasn't been healthy enough to get a whole lot of shots with this team. Like I said before once in 5 season coming into this one he has played more than 12 games. 12!

Are you seriously pinning that loss all on Betts?

No, but without that fumble they have a much better shot at winning. They were working their way to a drive that could have gotten them right back in it, however, the fumble killed that. The D should've played better, but that hurts...a WHOLE LOT. About as much as when Stephen Davis fumbled against the Boys a few years back...

Please read the prior 5 pages and see everyone's thoughts on this....

I did & there were several posts that I wanted to quote, too many actually.
While I echoed the sentiment of others, I also added some commentary that others hadn't - that w/the franchise tag Champ would have no choice in the matter until we negotiate. The Skins don't seem to like the franchise tag, but it has been used recently as a medium to buy time & trade disgruntled players.