The Portis move in hindsight

I'm not going to insult your football intelligence. But your comment makes no sense. One turnover does not win or loose a game. You should know that. What if Brandon Lloyd catches the damn ball that JC put right in his hands on the first play of the game? What if, what if, what if.........

I'm not saying that play alone cost them the football game. However, in fumbling, he effectively ended the Skins chances of coming back. The D could've stepped up and made the stop, but they didn't, partly because the Bucs took over at like the 50. That fumble was huge and pretty much put it away for the Bucs. It's a situation where the D should've played better, yes. However, that fumble made a huge difference in the football game. That's a fumble that I've seen Clinton replicate once...a Giants game 2 years ago where he played poorly. That's the only time I can say that a Clinton fumble helped cost the Skins game. Now, as we've stated ad nauseum, Betts doesn't get many chances, but he did then and he lost the fumble. That's kind of a big deal to me.

That doesn't make him a bad back. It doesn't even mean he's not starting caliber. It was a big fumble, though. It did hurt their chances of winning the football game, that's what I'm saying. It was a huge deal and without it they might have won. Like I said, the D was suspect and should've held up, but they hadn't all year to that point. They did what I basically expected. Folded. I didn't expect it from Ladell.

But I disagree with the "2 starters for 1" logic. Bailey wanted a lot of money and he got it in Denver. Bailey makes more than Portis plus they have to pay that 2nd rounder. So they got 2 starters, but we got 1 starter and cap space. And that cap space enabled us to get another starter.

That's a really good point. That's cap space that was used to bring in Springs.

Bottom line is I hope CP comes back healthy and plays his ass off like he always does. We are going to need him (along w/ Betts) next year with a young QB. Plus he is one of the team leaders. My only point was there was no need to throw in the 2nd rounder. Bailey for Portis straight up ( or a later round draft pick) would have probably gotten the deal done. But I'm glad he's a Redskin. I love the way he pass protects and blocks down field. You simply can't replace that. We need more CP's on this team if you ask me.

Betts has not even played 1 complete season as a starter and to judge him as compared to Portis is crazy. Portis is a bonafide starter in the NFL and Betts is a back-up filling in for the injured starter. Betts may become a starter and good back in the league but I'd like to see him play a little more than a partial season before I start comparing him to a real starter.

Not to blow smoke up your ass, but I'v never heard the Portis v. Bailey deal put quite this way. Most people tend to focus on the two players for one part of it...but you really put the cost on Denver's end into perspective. Very good post, man.

Thanks.

Is blowing smoke up my ass a good thing? At first I thought you were gonna curse me out. :)

Thanks.

They would have needed Bell because Betts isn't an every down back. He's not a guy who can stay healthy for 16 weeks while carrying the load. Until this year, he hasn't stayed healthy for a whole season yet. And there're still 4 games left. Also, he was out early in the preseason, if memory serves me correctly. Anyway, they would have needed another back because Betts isn't a real #1 and he's not reliable.

Beyond that, Bailey wasn't coming back. Period. He didn't want to be a Redskin. He wasn't going to resign. He didn't like it in Washington and wasn't going to resign. What could the Skins have done? Denver could've just signed him or the Skins could have kept a malcontent as a franchise player. They had to give up the 2 or they wouldn't have gotten the deal done. Champ should basically be taken out of the consideration of the trade because he wasn't going to be a Skin, one way or another. Who cares about the 2, anyway? What's the last starter the Skins got from the second round? Smoot? Cause Rocky hasn't seen the field yet. C'mon, the 2's not that big of a deal. And besides, they gave up a 3 for Duckett and he never sees the field... Yeah , NOBODY ever finds good talent after rd 1 ! Give most teams a 3rd and two 4th round picks and they will find starters , Patriots , Steelers , Colts , Bengals ,Ravens ect . We could have easily built a top 5 - 10 defence with the 2nd - 4th rd picks we let go the last few years . Cb Marshall 2nd T Trueblood 2nd , De's Canty< UVA > 4th rd , Dummerville ,4th , Anderson 4th , Adeyandji 4thDt cofield 4th.too many lost opprotunities to list Couldn't we have traded Bailey for a 1st and a 3rd rd pick , after all we gave up two 2nd rd picks for Rocky , and two picks for Loyd and Bailey is much better than both of them combined .

Just to be clear I'm not trying to suggest I think we would be better off without Portis, that wasn't my point of this thread at all, though it seems to have gone that route.

I was simply wondering what Gibbs would have done if he had known what he had in Betts prior to making the move. Would he had still made the move? Good point , too bad you have to explain it again . We could have traded bailey < if he wanted out > for multiple draft picks and drafted another back , an O lineman and used our 2nd on the DL .The Texans traded two 2nd rd picks for CB Buchanan<who sucks > we couldn't have got more for Bailey ? We could have signed a rb if F/a and saved that pick . I also like CP , but he has not been a dominant back in Washington . How many times has he run for over 140 yds in a game ? How many times has he failed on short yardage ? I think he is a heck of a back , maybe a better passing game would give him more big runs , but as of now ,,, he aint no LT or LJ or S. Alexander . As far as Denver , they have had 3 RB's over 1,500 yds , and T. Bell was on pace for 1,600 yds last yr before he got hurt. Not saying Portis is not a great back ,but we could have made a better deal .

Yeah , NOBODY ever finds good talent after rd 1 ! Give most teams a 3rd and two 4th round picks and they will find starters , Patriots , Steelers , Colts , Bengals ,Ravens ect . We could have easily built a top 5 - 10 defence with the 2nd - 4th rd picks we let go the last few years . Cb Marshall 2nd T Trueblood 2nd , De's Canty< UVA > 4th rd , Dummerville ,4th , Anderson 4th , Adeyandji 4thDt cofield 4th.too many lost opprotunities to list Couldn't we have traded Bailey for a 1st and a 3rd rd pick , after all we gave up two 2nd rd picks for Rocky , and two picks for Loyd and Bailey is much better than both of them combined .

Yeah, that's what I said...what I said was the Skins don't find a whole lotta starters out of later picks. I actually supported with facts about the Redskins, not the rest of the league. I don't think giving away draft picks is a good idea. What I said was that the Skins gave away the 2 because they weren't gonna get Champ back. Oh and btw, they built a top 5-10 defense without the damn picks! Until this season at least. I love how now all of a sudden they should have used those picks on the defensive side of the ball. Anyone know what was wrong with the team when Champ left? Pretty much everything. Somehow, I doubt that they would have drafted all defenders with those picks. Also, I see that you didn't name 1 starter the Skins have found in a round after 1 in that post...Why? They apparently don't scout well, or don't even try.