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ArtMonkDrillz 12-08-2006, 03:08 PM So bringing up brunell isn't beating a dead horse?
And I brought up dallas merely to show that you never really know what could happen by bringing in some fresh blood. Look at what the ravens did in 2000; they brought in dilfer because tony banks was struggling and they won the freakin super bowl.
12thMan 12-08-2006, 03:14 PM Yes he does have most of what you have said but his numbers do not say that he is this surprise. Romo has been a big surprise but I'm sorry Jason has not been. Your doing what you accused MB fans of so take off those JC glasses.
Like I said, his numbers is not what I was focused on or why I chose to mention him as a bright spot. And comparing Romo and Campbell is almost like comparing apples to oranges. Romo is a 4 yr pro, Campbell is essentially a rookie.
celts32 12-08-2006, 03:16 PM And that's all I'm really getting at, in the midst of a bad season...these guys have done a really good job - bright spots.
With Campbell it's more about what he represents than the actual numbers.
To be honest I am not that big a Betts fan(Not that I am looking to turn this into a Betts thread). I think he does okay when the blocking is real good but he's nothing special. He usually dosn't break tackles or make anyone miss. Whenever I see him get through a good hole I find myself thinking how much more Portis would have gained on the same play.
I agree on the others though...espoecially Frost...he has been a bright spot.
hesscl34 12-08-2006, 03:17 PM So bringing up brunell isn't beating a dead horse?
And I brought up dallas merely to show that you never really know what could happen by bringing in some fresh blood. Look at what the ravens did in 2000; they brought in dilfer because tony banks was struggling and they won the freakin super bowl.
NOTE: take one liners and pics with grains of salt. NOTE: not calling anyone bad fan!! - Reference my post - I said I think that benching Brunell was a mistake before all was lost, and I feel that way because of his experience and his ability to do the right thing in pressure situations. Playoff runs are pressure packed, so if there was even a shot at a playoff run then he should have stayed in until that shot was lost. Brunell was not playing so bad that he deserved to lose his job. Everyone just loves to blame the QB when we are losing. It wasn't Brunell, it was the Defense. This weekend the Blitz is going to kill JC. Brunell should play just so JC doesn't get his head taken off.
12thMan 12-08-2006, 03:21 PM NOTE: take one liners and pics with grains of salt. NOTE: not calling anyone bad fan!! - Reference my post - I said I think that benching Brunell was a mistake before all was lost, and I feel that way because of his experience and his ability to do the right thing in pressure situations. Playoff runs are pressure packed, so if there was even a shot at a playoff run then he should have stayed in until that shot was lost. Brunell was not playing so bad that he deserved to lose his job. Everyone just loves to blame the QB when we are losing. It wasn't Brunell, it was the Defense. This weekend the Blitz is going to kill JC. Brunell should play just so JC doesn't get his head taken off.
So if Brunell wasn't so bad, why did Joe bench him?
The Zimmermans 12-08-2006, 03:21 PM Betts has definitely gotten better in a lot of areas. He is very very good at cutting back and bursting upfield, almost better than portis. He is also beginning to develop better open field moves, he has been making guys miss. He used to not be able to read blocks well, but now he hits the hole more effectively. Hopefully he will continue to improve, especiallly with his pass blocking, which has been miserable as you all know.
hesscl34 12-08-2006, 03:24 PM So if Brunell wasn't so bad, why did Joe bench him?
Becuase Portis was lost that weekend and he probably felt after that, so was the season, so why not give JC his shot now to get him ready for next year. I understand why he did it, I just think he should have waited a little longer.
celts32 12-08-2006, 03:42 PM Betts has definitely gotten better in a lot of areas. He is very very good at cutting back and bursting upfield, almost better than portis. He is also beginning to develop better open field moves, he has been making guys miss. He used to not be able to read blocks well, but now he hits the hole more effectively. Hopefully he will continue to improve, especiallly with his pass blocking, which has been miserable as you all know.
In reality, Betts true ability probably lies somewhere inbetween what some of us think of him and what the Redskins think of him. I may underrate him but I am positive that the Redskins overrate him. They all talk like he is Jim Brown reincarnated...
EternalEnigma21 12-09-2006, 11:13 PM you guys gave me a rash of shit when I said Frost was pro-bowl worthy...
He may not have the best stats in the NFC, but he's certainly won me over... he's been doing a great job and has really developed into a dependable punter...
he got a rash of shit for that shank against Jacksonville (the one where they had to re-kick, but no one knew why) but the first one was a decent punt...
I like Golston and didn't see him coming into his own... I hope we see griffin's production increase since they have to give another DT some attention now...
Jury is still out on Campbell. I'm glad we made the switch, but I don't know what to think of him. He misses alot of throws. He usually errs on the side of caution and he manages a game allright for a "rookie", but he hasn't exaclty looked like he's gonna light anyone up or anything...
If the season end right now, (and I was running things) I may bring in a fairly cheap possible starter to compete with him in the preseason next year... either he steps up or watches someone else...
maybe byron leftwitch??? Not saying Campbell wont' be great, just saying I wouldn't mind insuring him with someone under 40...
GTripp0012 12-09-2006, 11:48 PM I disagree. In my opinion, JC has been a bright spot. Obviously I was looking at more than simply statistics. I think his stats will come with time, by the way.
But it's become evident thus far his presence can change the dymanics of the offense and how we game plan some. He's made some throws already that we haven't seen in a while. If you want to look at his stats, sure we could nitpick all day long, but things like his poise, movement in the pocket and out of the pocket, his arm, down field vision are all positives. (see Jason Campbell thread by 12thMan).
In the end, I think he's definitely given this team a lot to look forward to next year.I think Firstdown's point was that despite all the poise, mobility, arm strength, and vision, that Jason Campbell has yet to "get 'er done" if you will. I don't think he was trying to say that he hadn't shown us anything.
That's all important stuff, but it's stuff we knew he had (possible exception: poise) before we drafted him. I think we are all anxiously waiting to have his breakout game, and trust me it will happen, but I don't know if he's anymore of a bright spot now than he was a month ago.
So yeah, for now I agree with firstdown.
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