Are We Critiquing the Wrong Coaches?

Throughout the season we’ve been debating Gibbs or Saunders. Can their philosophies coexist? Do their personalities clash? Should Gibbs take tighter control of the offense? Should we give Saunders his walking papers?

But let me throw this out here, are we talking about the wrong offensive coaches? Little things, like dropping passes, running tight routes, blocking, these are problems on a lower level of the offense. This is the stuff the position coaches should be working on right? This isn’t about scheme really this is about basic fundamentals.

So I guess my question is do our coaching problems really lie with coaches like Bill Lazor, Earnest Byner, and Stan Hixon and not the big picture guys (Saunders and Gibbs)

Anyway, just some food for thought

I think when stuff starts rolling down hill (ie. 4-8) there is a higher percentage of things like dropped passes and blocking.

Throughout the season we’ve been debating Gibbs or Saunders. Can their philosophies coexist? Do their personalities clash? Should Gibbs take tighter control of the offense? Should we give Saunders his walking papers?

But let me throw this out here, are we talking about the wrong offensive coaches? Little things, like dropping passes, running tight routes, blocking, these are problems on a lower level of the offense. This is the stuff the position coaches should be working on right? This isn’t about scheme really this is about basic fundamentals.

So I guess my question is do our coaching problems really lie with coaches like Bill Lazor, Earnest Byner, and Stan Hixon and not the big picture guys (Saunders and Gibbs)

Anyway, just some food for thought

This kinda goes back to the Friend Article - If the assistants aren't doing their jobs whose fault is that. If the proper emphasis is not being put on fundamentals, that's gotta be on the coordinators and, ultimately, the head coach. If they aren't tackling - then drill'em on it. Make sure that the position coaches ARE doing their jobs.

With that said, I bet we see some significant willowing and possibly consiladation in the coaching ranks next year.

Throughout the season we’ve been debating Gibbs or Saunders. Can their philosophies coexist? Do their personalities clash? Should Gibbs take tighter control of the offense? Should we give Saunders his walking papers?

But let me throw this out here, are we talking about the wrong offensive coaches? Little things, like dropping passes, running tight routes, blocking, these are problems on a lower level of the offense. This is the stuff the position coaches should be working on right? This isn’t about scheme really this is about basic fundamentals.

So I guess my question is do our coaching problems really lie with coaches like Bill Lazor, Earnest Byner, and Stan Hixon and not the big picture guys (Saunders and Gibbs)

Anyway, just some food for thought

That's just it. You're talking about "the basics" and technique which is taught by those coaches. I think you may be onto something there. And that is why I have said all along, to look at the big picture...all the parts! Not just to lay blame at the head coach and be done with it.

Who were the position coaches during Gibbs I? Or did they have position coaches back then?

Like someone already said, if the position coaches aren't getting it done, the guys above them need to step in.

Perhaps this all goes back to the too many chefs in the kitchen theory?

I personaly believe Joe Bugel has completely lost his touch and this thread does make me wonder about others, but it all goes back to Gibbs being so very loyal and therefore the team might actually be suffering from this usually great quality that our head coach has.

I think the lost of DeWayne Walker can't be under estimated, that's for sure.

Essentially, I think everything has to be on the table after the year is over.

Gibbs would be to blame ultimately if his coaching staff is not getting their job done. Maybe he was trying to take more of a hands-off approach and let the coaches do their thing which with some people doesn't work. All of the coaches have talented players at every position. I wonder if they feel they can slack off a bit because they think their players are coached well enough as it is. A stretch, I know, but sometimes when you think you've got something good you don't pay as much attention to detail until you're already behind and struggling to catch up to everyone else.

These players are supposed to be PROFESSIONALS, the coaches can only do so much. The players have to perform. It’s not like route running and catching the ball is new to them.

Nice try at a diversion from the Gibbs hating.

All of the players on this team are pros and most have played organized football since the age of 6. These guys would have never made it on their High School Football team if they were unable to “master” the basics.

The lack of tackeling, blocking and catching would be due to lack of performance. If you are suggesting these assistant coaches are not motivating their players, then I would suggest you look at Gibbs mannerisms on and off the sidelines.

Gibbs look likes a deer caught in the head lights. He shows no emotions either positive or negative.

The entire team (including coaches) is a reflection on how Gibbs conducts himself.