Are We Critiquing the Wrong Coaches?

Nice try at a diversion from the Gibbs hating.

All of the players on this team are pros and most have played organized football since the age of 6. These guys would have never made it on their High School Football team if they were unable to “master” the basics.

The lack of tackeling, blocking and catching would be due to lack of performance. If you are suggesting these assistant coaches are not motivating their players, then I would suggest you look at Gibbs mannerisms on and off the sidelines.

Gibbs look likes a deer caught in the head lights. He shows no emotions either positive or negative.

The entire team (including coaches) is a reflection on how Gibbs conducts himself.

Not sure what you mean by "nice try at a diversion from the Gibbs hating" But anyhow, I agree that they should have mastered the basics at a young age. But I believe that even if you know it like the back of your hand, you still have to practice it repeatedly.

I understand that ultimately the responsibility lies with Gibbs, but he can't (nor can any coach on any team) realistically be expected to be involved in every aspect of every drill of every unit. He has to trust the position coaches to do their job on a daily basis throughout the week. I'm not saying they're not, I'm just saying what if the job there doing just isn't good enough.

So TO is a reflection of how Andy Reid and Bill Parcell's conduct themselves? Please, some of these guys aren't trying to conduct themselves as professionals. They're relying on their natural god-given ability to play football. If given the chance to slack and make millions while doing, some will. Count on it.

Also, Gibbs does not look like a deer caught in the headlights. Wide-eyed and stock still? He seems pretty composed to me. Smart enough not to allow emotions dictate his decision making process.

I'll say this in Gibbs' defense, there probably aren't more than five coaches in the entire NFL that work harder and grind like Joe Gibbs does.

I distinctly remember the week he returned he was if he ever considered coaching another team like Bill Parcells. He responded, "It never crossed my mind, I'm a Redskin....I couldn't see myself coaching anywhere other than Washington D.C."

That statement blew me away because coaches and players come out of retirement all the time or drag out their retirement with various teams all the time. But Gibbs chose to come back to his roots and risk failure and ridicule, which says a lot.

The reason I bring this up in this thread, is because I wonder if his 'lieutenants' have that same selfless spirit and mind set when it comes to turning this franchise around. To Joe Gibbs this isn't simply a vocation, but it's a calling. And I'm not sure that his supporting cast see it the same way.

Here's a question about the "too many cooks" issue--do we have a much bigger staff than other teams? Or is it just that we pay the most, and give our assistants more powerful sounding titles--"assistant head coach offense" etc?

HOw differently are other teams structured?

I agree that fundamentals are lacking. But the coaches have an influence on that by how they manage and encourage, or rebuke, their palyers. Imagined what happened when you didn't do the fundamentals on a Vince Lombardi team. But clearly Gibbs knows how to get a team playing mistake free--his 80's teams were that way.

SO much of the game is mental, that when one thing goes wrong, it can snowball, as AB's NB pointed out. We're seeing a lot of that here.

Here's a question about the "too many cooks" issue--do we have a much bigger staff than other teams? Or is it just that we pay the most, and give our assistants more powerful sounding titles--"assistant head coach offense" etc?

HOw differently are other teams structured?

I agree that fundamentals are lacking. But the coaches have an influence on that by how they manage and encourage, or rebuke, their palyers. Imagined what happened when you didn't do the fundamentals on a Vince Lombardi team. But clearly Gibbs knows how to get a team playing mistake free--his 80's teams were that way.

SO much of the game is mental, that when one thing goes wrong, it can snowball, as AB's NB pointed out. We're seeing a lot of that here.

To add-on to that, do we have more than one coach giving instructions to the same guys at a particular position?

Recoginizing that Gibbs cannot realistically oversee/micromanage every coach as they perform their job, I would hope that he does take the time to review the coach's performance both on the practice field and away from it in the various meetings. Yes, he has to trust he lieutenants but he also has to supervise them and, when appropriate, take them to task.

As for the players failing to perform the basics - that really is a tough one. To make that determination, you'd almost have to see how the practices are carried out. If the coaches are coaching and the players are practicing proper technique but failing to perform that which is practiced on game day - then it's on the players. If, however, the coaches aren't dedicating any time to reinforcing basic techniques, then I would say it's a coaching problem.

Given the complexity of the game these days, I would expect that most position coaches are reviewing and prepping the game plan for the following week and that any technique coaching is a one-one thing done in the course of the game-plan practice. I bet that, unless Gibbs mandates it, that the position coaches are not spending time on basic tackling/blocking drills.

I am a Gibbs guy so I don't mean this as a knock on him but in general whether your talking about sports or the real world...a fish rots from the head down. If those coaches are f-ing up it would still be Gibbs & Saunders job to get them in line and ultimately their responsibility regardless.

I don't really blame coaching at all...I think the fault for this season lies mostly on front office talent evaluation and to a lesser extent injuries. We played the meaningful portion of our schedule without ever having Portis and Springs healthy and they are arguably the most important players on each side of the ball.

So TO is a reflection of how Andy Reid and Bill Parcell's conduct themselves? Please, some of these guys aren't trying to conduct themselves as professionals. They're relying on their natural god-given ability to play football. If given the chance to slack and make millions while doing, some will. Count on it.

Also, Gibbs does not look like a deer caught in the headlights. Wide-eyed and stock still? He seems pretty composed to me. Smart enough not to allow emotions dictate his decision making process.

I am talking about a Gibbs coached team. That's why a TO wouldn't be a Redskin. Gibbs teams are "Gibbs Guys" you know " a real classy guy". So, with his lack of emotions and things going from bad to worse this whole teams engery look as drained as he does.

Gibbs is so stiff on the sidelines, I am waiting for him to freeze in that "arms crossed" stance he puts himself into every Sunday. Does he ever move?

I am talking about a Gibbs coached team. That's why a TO wouldn't be a Redskin. Gibbs teams are "Gibbs Guys" you know " a real classy guy". So, with his lack of emotions and things going from bad to worse this whole teams engery look as drained as he does.

Gibbs is so stiff on the sidelines, I am waiting for him to freeze in that "arms crossed" stance he puts himself into every Sunday. Does he ever move?

Gibbs looks the same on the sidelines as he did when he was collecting Super Bowl trophies. If head coach sideline hysterics had anything to do with winning football games then the Giants would never lose...

Gibbs looks the same on the sidelines as he did when he was collecting Super Bowl trophies. If head coach sideline hysterics had anything to do with winning football games then the Giants would never lose...

Well.... Here is a link to some pictures from another thread. Gibbs today and one with the SB trophy.

And you say he looks the same?

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/16144-im-done-gibbs-must-go-20.html