Gibbs Ii In My View

I just wanted to take some time and pour my perspective into coach Gibb's second stint. There's been a lot of bitter tension between members over whether Gibbs should remain or go and it bothers me a lot.

First of all, I'm 34 and I remember very well all of those SuperBowl teams of the 80s. I remember very well the first SB title in 83 and the last one in 92. Is Gibbs the same great top NFL coach today that he was then? No, he isn't and no one should feel ashamed to admit that. He is indeed a different coach today. Coaches as well as players can decline in their abilities. Is Gibbs in my view completely done and now a bad coach? No way. As evidenced last year he can still lead a team. Has he made some personnel and coaching mistakes and miscalculated some decisions? Sure, nothing wrong to admit that either.

What Gibbs being here the second time around offers in my opinion is not so much a replay of exactly what happened his first time around but it's bringing what this organization has needed so badly since he has left. Gibbs is for the first time bringing in values of hard work, battling through adversity, practicing, remaining together as a team and hard offseason work to these players. This organization and many of these players haven't had that in their entire careers and that includes many free agents as well. Think of the atmosphere and attitude that we had under Spurrier and Turner. Schottenheimer to an extent brought what Gibb's is bringing now but Snyder made the mistake of not letting him stay to finish the job.

The results are not apparent now but what I do feel that what Gibbs is bringing to this organization in his second stint is a cultural change that will eventually take root in both the players and the ownership.

Bottom line is that this organization right now, these players need the stability and values that Gibbs implements. We have a coach unlike Spurrier and to an extent unlike Turner and Schottenheimer who deeply cares about the fan base, the organization and the town and not just getting paid. He has an attachment to this city that no other coach out there will ever have.

I firmly believe despite his mistakes that in letting Gibbs finish his contract that when he leaves as coach and either retires from football or goes to the front office that this organization will be better off from the players to the owner (who I think today is a better owner and person than before Gibbs came back). We may not reach a SB title but I do believe that the culture and course of the Redskins will change for the better in the future with him here for the duration.


it,s like you read my mind all the way ..oh yeah i,m 37 years old and i remember those superbowl years like it was yesterday as well..
i,m hoping joe gibbs moves up in the front office once his coaching career is done....great post and welcome to the warpath....

you have claered us a new path...i couldn,t agree with ya more.

Redskin2, I'm 40 and remember the Gibbs years very well. I think you made a lot of good points. The Redskins, even struggling through a bad season, are a better team and a better organization with Gibbs than they would be without him. And the one thing that was true of Gibbs then and, I believe, is still true today: he won't leave a job half done. He'll be back and he'll put everything into this team until it's the team he wants to be - the kind of team that will make us all proud to Skins fans.

Hail to the Redskins!

I just wanted to take some time and pour my perspective into coach Gibb's second stint. There's been a lot of bitter tension between members over whether Gibbs should remain or go and it bothers me a lot.

First of all, I'm 34 and I remember very well all of those SuperBowl teams of the 80s. I remember very well the first SB title in 83 and the last one in 92. Is Gibbs the same great top NFL coach today that he was then? No, he isn't and no one should feel ashamed to admit that. He is indeed a different coach today. Coaches as well as players can decline in their abilities. Is Gibbs in my view completely done and now a bad coach? No way. As evidenced last year he can still lead a team. Has he made some personnel and coaching mistakes and miscalculated some decisions? Sure, nothing wrong to admit that either.

What Gibbs being here the second time around offers in my opinion is not so much a replay of exactly what happened his first time around but it's bringing what this organization has needed so badly since he has left. Gibbs is for the first time bringing in values of hard work, battling through adversity, practicing, remaining together as a team and hard offseason work to these players. This organization and many of these players haven't had that in their entire careers and that includes many free agents as well. Think of the atmosphere and attitude that we had under Spurrier and Turner. Schottenheimer to an extent brought what Gibb's is bringing now but Snyder made the mistake of not letting him stay to finish the job.

The results are not apparent now but what I do feel that what Gibbs is bringing to this organization in his second stint is a cultural change that will eventually take root in both the players and the ownership.

Bottom line is that this organization right now, these players need the stability and values that Gibbs implements. We have a coach unlike Spurrier and to an extent unlike Turner and Schottenheimer who deeply cares about the fan base, the organization and the town and not just getting paid. He has an attachment to this city that no other coach out there will ever have.

I firmly believe despite his mistakes that in letting Gibbs finish his contract that when he leaves as coach and either retires from football or goes to the front office that this organization will be better off from the players to the owner (who I think today is a better owner and person than before Gibbs came back). We may not reach a SB title but I do believe that the culture and course of the Redskins will change for the better in the future with him here for the duration.I would argue that Gibbs isn't any worse of a coach persay, but I think there are a lot more quality coaches in the NFL today than there were during his first stint. So in turn, he is not the league's best coach anymore and he gets outcoached sometimes.

Great post, Redskin2. My thoughts exactly.

nice post

I would argue that Gibbs isn't any worse of a coach persay, but I think there are a lot more quality coaches in the NFL today than there were during his first stint. So in turn, he is not the league's best coach anymore and he gets outcoached sometimes.

I totally agree. He got out coached on all but two games this year.

I would have to agree that Gibbs is still a great coach, motivator (proof of last years run). I dont agree that he will be a great front office person. I think the 3 years he has called the shots has been shaky. Some have worked out, but more have not. I dont put the blame on Gibbs for all the moves. GW is to blame for quite a few. (Champ, LaVar,Clark,Pierce,Smoot) all those guys were "replaceable" to him and I think our D has paid the price. Letting him pick his players is a big mistake for someone of his ego, where its the system not the players. I believe Gibbs understands that a GM is needed, NOT Vinny!! Gibbs is a great coach, but his GM skills seems to be in question. Talent evaluation is huge now a days and our 2nd day draft picks have been pretty lame. In the 3 years of Gibbs 2, I thought their may be more stability in player personel, but not really. We have had 3 starting QB's in 3 years. a rotation at the WR position, Defensive line, LB and our secondary has been a rotation of players. I dont care how much you spend, and what the expected production of players are when you bring them in. If you have no chemistry, or familiarity with the players you are playing with, your team suffers. As in the case this year.
My opinion, that is all.

I think you summarized it perfectly. My opionion is if there is any way the Skins can get Scott Pioli from the Patriots to be our GM and give him true decision making capability that would really help out but too bad the PAts won't let him go.

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Bottomline Gibbs is a winner always has been, always will be. He has always surronded himself around very talented people in everything he does. I can see next year being a playoff run followed by the next challenging for home field advantage. I think one of 2 things could happen after his contract expires 1. coaching another 2 years or 2. Just staying in the front office and making sure his vision is comlpete. I dont think he will go back to Nascar so quick. His son JD is doing a very good job there. I still cant beleive that he came back.

Joe gibbs hasn't changed at all...these players today know nothing about hard work! They have shit handed to them the day they enter the NFL...Joe Theisman didn't drive a BMW to practice in his day and Brett Farve when he first entered the NFL he drove the truck that his pops gave him in high school!

Today These guys get a new car as soon as they get in the nfl...what is that crap? Endorsements and all that stuff, reggie bush signs a 25million dollar contract...Anyone know what Riggos contract was when he was with the jets!? I know Monk didnt just come in the NFL making all that money.
What Im getting at is these players are not playing with the heart there predecesors did You play harder when you don't have s**t.