Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse?

It almost even comes down to gut feeling. Like I can watch Big Ben play all day and in the end, he's not the most accurate passer, hell, he's even won a Super Bowl. He is the product of a great (not-so-great anymore) passing game and using that to set up the pass. In the end, is he still a good QB? Sure, because he makes the plays that leads his team to wins.

Statistically Brunell blew Ben out of the water, but is Brunell right for the system and does he make the plays that let the team win? No. Philip Rivers is another example. While fundamentally, he's better than Ben, he too is the result of an elite back making his job easier.

Don't get me wrong, I also believe Brady is better than Brunell. But this season, Brady isn't as good as he normally is, and Brunell is better.

Just for clarity, are you saying Brunell was a better QB this year than Brady is right now?

Just for clarity, are you saying Brunell was a better QB this year than Brady is right now?Sorry. I'm saying Brunell is better than Brunell's career average. Got better with age. My bad.

Neither. I think he's better than Grossman and Vick...and Romo its far far too early to tell.

I will say this, those stats are based on one season. So is Brunell better than any of those remaining guys? Not even close. Has he done his job this season as well as them to this point? Most accounts say yes.

Most accounts say Brunell has done as good of a job as those other QBs? I'm not sure what other "accounts" you're referring to.

I supplement statistically analyses with my eyes, and I've seen enough games of all of those QBs to know that Brunell has not been doing a good job and I think the overwhelming majority of other eyes concur.

Ah. And just to play devil's advocate, we could also say that after the dinks and dunks, the receivers weren't making plays after the catch (I disagree, just wanted to throw that out there.).

Sorry. I'm saying Brunell is better than Brunell's career average. Got better with age. My bad.

Brunell is not like a fine wine, he hasn't gotten better with age. I can't believe you're actually saying he's better now than he was when he was younger.

And, in any event, we're not comparing Mark to Mark, we're comparing him to other QBs and what constitutes an acceptable level of performance.

The problem with numbers and statistics is that they don't tell the whole story. OK, I'll give you that Brunell is better than everyone on that list statistically, but maybe he should have taped that to his jersey because no one on the team seemed to buy into that. He doesn't seem to energize the troops like Palmer or Brady or Manning or Hasselbeck or anyone else on that list. The Skins offense doesn't play with confidence, and the only way to change that is to change qbs.

And 8 tds speaks for itself. I wouldn't trade Tim Hasselbeck for Brunell right now, DVOA be damned.

Either way, from a moderator on the warpath, I have come to expect a more open mind.

Whatever.

SGG has had an extremely open mind with you. He does with everyone in fact.

Look, I agree with you that Brunell isn't doing as poorly as most think. And I think it's misleading to say he doesn't spread the ball around. Now while I think long-term JC will be a great QB I don't expect a sudden explosion of points right away. However, I hope I'm dead wrong. I hope Campbell is a huge difference and we start getting convincing Ws. I think a lot of other Brunell supporters feel the same way, because above all they are Redskins fans.

But I think it's becoming increasingly clear that wins don't seem to matter to you. It's like you're personally offended by the change at QB and want nothing more than to be proven right. it's like you're hoping Campbell plays poorly and we lose so you can come back with more DPAR, DVOA, DVDA, DUMB stats to say "I told you so"

If we're comparing Brunell to the elite players in the league, the most telling stats are yards per pass and TDs. Brunell was twenty-sixth in TDs, even though his accuracy rating was extremely high. His yards per pass were also around the middle of the pack as well.

You look at the most INTs thrown by any team and you'll see the other bottom feeders like us. And we've only thrown 4!

I mean we're ranked twenty-second in passing offense. High rating, low yardage, low TDs speaks mainly to the dink and dunk mentality. Playing things a little too safe.