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Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-13-2006, 09:14 PM Nah, you are hardly being a jerk.
All your points are fair. It's funny cause this is exactly what everyone else was sounding like to me all these weeks. They pretty much were waiting for Brunell to fail. Took awhile, but he did in fact crap out vs. Phili. Looks like the rolls have changed now.
First, thanks for not taking my posts the wrong way. You know that I respect your opinion (even if I strongly disagree with it) and consider you a valued member of the site.
Second, I agree 100% that, on a certain level, many people on this site wanted to see Brunell fail miserably. I was never one of them. When I thought that Brunell played poorly, I said so and when I thought Brunell played well, I said so. We just differ as to whether Brunell's overall performance was any good.
Here's an example of a guy who loves Brunell so much that he is actually hoping the Redskins lose this Sunday. http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180444
GTripp0012 11-13-2006, 09:31 PM I definately don't expect to see Campbell light up opposing defenses. My guess is that he struggles for the first 5 games or so and starts to "come on" at the very end of the season.
I didn't mean to question GTripp's fandom. I know that GTripp loves the team and always wants to see them win. I just think there will be a certain part of him that will enjoy seeing Campbell struggle.
As a recovering Ramseyfan, I know all about trying to see the good in a particular player, even when they are playing poorly. That said, when Brunell started playing well last season, I gave him props and didn't particularly mourn Ramsey's departure. I would just like to see GTripp do the same with Brunell; admit Brunell isn't even an average QB (I'm not laying all or even most of the team's woes on Brunell), doesn't deserve to start, and wish his successor the best.The thing about Patrick Ramsey is that by all accounts (statistical and objective observant) he was the average QB. Career 3.18 DPAR/G. Perfectly average. I sincerely believe we would have been a 9 or 10 win team with Ramsey in 2005. Brunell didn't win or lose us any games then either. It wasn't his style.
Brunell has been better over his career and significantly better each of the last two seasons. I would say theres no way that I could realistically say Brunell hasn't even been average. That would not only go against the evidence, but against my observations from watching him.
So if Brunell never plays another down in his career, there would be absoultely no reason for me to say something I believe (along with the evidence I have) to be blatently false to appease other people.
Although we had the same record in 2004 through 9 games that we do now, I hope people can realize what the differences are. In 2004, Brunell was too hurt to throw. He produced numbers so sub par to his career, that everyone (including me) thought it was over for him. That, along with the OLine and injuries were the reasons we lost. We had the no. 2 defense. This year we have the no. 30 defense and the same record through 9. Considering that defense is what wins games, there shouldn't be a serious arguement that goes against what the stats tell you, because there is no reason for it. We know why we are losing. It has nothing to do with the offense.
I was too young to remember the 3 championships. Gibbs earned my trust when he made Brunell the starter and he played well. Since then, Brunell's level of play has not changed. The offense has. We have gotten conservative and mistakes have been made. Brunell is capable of doing anything he did in 2005. So if you refuse to blame the defense for anything, and you want to blame the offense for being conservative, I won't stop you, but there is ZERO evidence to prove that Brunell can't do one thing he could do in 2005.
As far as Campbell, write this one down, as soon as he gets unjustly attacked for something that isn't his fault, I will be the first one to his side.
Beemnseven 11-13-2006, 09:45 PM Campbell will likely struggle in all 7 of his starts this season. We won't move the ball at all before CP comes back. It's gonna get real ugly, real fast.
Excuse me? It's "gonna get" ugly? What do you think we've been watching?
illdefined 11-13-2006, 09:46 PM Those are known as the discrepencies between stats and reality. My explinations for them. "Observations" if you will.
yes, the eternal 'out' of statistical battles. prepare one for Campbell this season just in case.
GTripp0012 11-13-2006, 09:48 PM Excuse me? It's "gonna get" ugly? What do you think we've been watching?It is referring to the offense. We had a running game, a passing game, and no turnovers. Now we have no CP, no MB, and an inexpierenced QB.
Thus uglyness. On both sides of the ball. Like the Phili game, except vs a team thats not nearly as good.
GTripp0012 11-13-2006, 09:49 PM yes, the eternal 'out' of statistical battles. prepare one for Campbell this season just in case.Would there be any situation under which you'd admit that we would have been better off leaving Brunell in this game?
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-13-2006, 09:53 PM It is referring to the offense. We had a running game, a passing game, and no turnovers. Now we have no CP, no MB, and an inexpierenced QB.
Thus uglyness. On both sides of the ball. Like the Phili game, except vs a team thats not nearly as good.
We had a passing game? The 22nd ranked passing game (13 of 16 in the NFC) that averaged 188 yards per game, and produced 8 TDs in 9 games and 1 TD in 4 NFC east games.
Beemnseven 11-13-2006, 10:00 PM We had a passing game? The 22nd ranked passing game (13 of 16 in the NFC) that averaged 188 yards per game, and produced 8 TDs in 9 games and 1 TD in 4 NFC east games.
Yeah, the stats also won't tell you that no team believed Brunell would ever make them pay for blitzing, because they knew the slightest amount of pressure got him really frazzled. Especially against Philly, NY, and Dallas, they could send someone extra in on nearly every play, and there was never going to be a threat of Brunell exploiting the secondary for it.
Also, did you notice how whenever the offense needed a big play, it was Randle El throwing it?
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-13-2006, 10:01 PM Also, did you notice how whenever the offense needed a big play, it was Randle El throwing it?
That little guy has got a cannon of an arm.
illdefined 11-13-2006, 10:06 PM Would there be any situation under which you'd admit that we would have been better off leaving Brunell in this game?
sure, if Campbell was hurt or we had last year's defense.
either way i can't stand your boy's (can't say his name) predicatbly conservative style letting the defense win games and i wouldn't want to see him play another season for us.
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