I Just Don't Get it!

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Brute44
10-31-2006, 02:02 AM
If you look at the Redskins coaching Staff (http://www.redskins.com/team/coachingstaff.jsp) do you feel like there's something a little odd with it? First of all, why are there four coaches with Head Coach assigned to their title? Of course Gibbs is the Head Coach but why are Saunders, Williams and Bugel also mentioned as such? I always knew about the titles given to these coaches in the past but never really thought about it. After looking at it for awhile, I decided to look at what I consider the four best teams in the league right now and how their coaches are set up and also their titles. The Colts, (http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=coaches) Patriots, (http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=coaches) Bears, (http://www.chicagobears.com/team/CoachesCorner.html) and Giants (http://www.giants.com/team/coaches.html). While looking at these other teams closely and painfully, I notice one thing, there are only one additional coach on each team with the title Assistant Head Coach followed by what position they actually do coach. The Giants don't have anyone with the title Assistant Head Coach. Also, there are no other teams with more than one coach that controls the offense. The Redskins have four, maybe even five if you consider Gibbs aswell. I also notice that Bugel is not listed as the offensive line coach and Williams is listed as Assistant Head Coach Defense and Blache is the Defensive Coordinator/D Line. Saunders is listed as Associate Head Coach offense. So I guess Saunders is the number two guy when it comes down to the the coaches? Who's calling the plays on offense? We're all told its Saunders but why then is Breaux listed as the offensive coordinator. And the same thing applies to the defense with Williams and Blache? I guess I never really noticed it before. Does anybody here think that this is helping or hurting the command structure of this team and how the players see it, or do they even know or care about it?
To me, I think it diminishes Gibbs authority over the players and also the coaches. You can't have more than one captain at the helm and one person calling plays at a time. On offense, does Gibbs have four people talking to him at a time? Could this team have good players, that can win it all but at the same time have a coaching staff the can't communicate properly and agree on a basic game plan. I guess what I'm asking is, can it be that the coaches are limiting what this team can do?
Lastly, with all the recent acquisitions made to the team and all the cash assigned to it, I was wondering if Gibbs was totally responsible for it. So I did a search for Vinny Cerrato on the web and came across this link (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-114278.html). Very interesting Q and A with Cerrato about how the team goes about signing players in the off season. If this is how the team is run then no wonder the team is paying soooo much for players that should be payed way less. Snyder controls the amounts being paid out every year. So essentially the entire payroll is controlled by a guy that doesn't know Jack Shit about what he's even doing. I guess the coaches talk to him before hand about what the player can and can't do but ultimately, the price tag is up to Snyder. WTF!!!
I just hope somehow and someway that THE HEAD COACH, Joe Gibbs can turn this thing around and quick. Because I still believe he can and will if ALLOWED.

MTK
10-31-2006, 09:39 AM
The titles are just that, titles. They have nothing to do with the structure. Williams is still the defensive coordinator even though his title does not reflect that.

It's simple. When a team tries to hire away a coach from another team, they have to offer them the same or a better position. Therefore, in order to keep from teams stealing away the Skins coaches, they give them these cleverly worded titles that really are meaningless, but they are designed to keep from teams trying to snatch away Williams as their defensive coordinator for example.

The only way a team could steal him is if they made him their head coach.

EXoffender
10-31-2006, 09:40 AM
Of course we have too many coaches and thier titles probably have more to do with thier salaries than thier responsibilities. Whether any of theses assistants become the hier to Gibbs, they will have to take a stand against building the team through free agency. It just doesn't pay off in the long term.

SmootSmack
10-31-2006, 09:57 AM
The titles are just that, titles. They have nothing to do with the structure. Williams is still the defensive coordinator even though his title does not reflect that.

It's simple. When a team tries to hire away a coach from another team, they have to offer them the same or a better position. Therefore, in order to keep from teams stealing away the Skins coaches, they give them these cleverly worded titles that really are meaningless, but they are designed to keep from teams trying to snatch away Williams as their defensive coordinator for example.

The only way a team could steal him is if they made him their head coach.

Well put. Also, I don't understand the complaint about the payroll being controlled by Snyder. He is, after all, the owner of the organization. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that every owner determines how much is paid to each person in the entire organization

VTSkins897
10-31-2006, 05:41 PM
yeah just titles...

i think everyone knows that AS is the OC and GW is the DC. i don't think it really has an effect on the hiring unless the coaches are just fools which i don't think they are.

Brute44
10-31-2006, 08:35 PM
Well put. Also, I don't understand the complaint about the payroll being controlled by Snyder. He is, after all, the owner of the organization. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that every owner determines how much is paid to each person in the entire organization

My point was Snyder deals directly with the players agents (read the link from ES above). Now I don't know how many owners do that in this league. That is usually done through the GM of the team. I just think it's funny how we get these free agents and pay them so much money and it is killing any kind of future for the Skins. I thought it was up to Gibbs to deal with the players agents and work out a salary. I don't think Adam Archuleta would have gotten 8 Mill this year from anyone else or Andre Carter making 6 Mill or EL with his 8 Mill would have either. This has been going on for years. Before Gibbs even came back.

SmootSmack
10-31-2006, 08:40 PM
From what I've heard most if not all owners deal with the agents, but later in the process usually. Snyder is involved earlier in the process so as not to delay the negotiation too far behind negotiations that player may have with some other potential team.

jsarno
10-31-2006, 11:46 PM
It's simple. When a team tries to hire away a coach from another team, they have to offer them the same or a better position. Therefore, in order to keep from teams stealing away the Skins coaches, they give them these cleverly worded titles that really are meaningless, but they are designed to keep from teams trying to snatch away Williams as their defensive coordinator for example.

The only way a team could steal him is if they made him their head coach.

Aahhhh, it's amazing what a madden football game can teach us :D

FRPLG
11-01-2006, 01:14 AM
My point was Snyder deals directly with the players agents (read the link from ES above). Now I don't know how many owners do that in this league. That is usually done through the GM of the team. I just think it's funny how we get these free agents and pay them so much money and it is killing any kind of future for the Skins. I thought it was up to Gibbs to deal with the players agents and work out a salary. I don't think Adam Archuleta would have gotten 8 Mill this year from anyone else or Andre Carter making 6 Mill or EL with his 8 Mill would have either. This has been going on for years. Before Gibbs even came back.

Who cares if he deals with the agents? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? What we pay our coaches and players has nothing to do with our play on the field. This team clearly has attempted to be smart in free agency and hasn't really been tied up by salaries. I don't think anyone can say right now we are losing simply because we have paid too much money for bad players. They can maybe say we just have bad players but money has zero to do with it. We dont have any "bad" players simply because we couldn't afford anyone better. Our bad players have either aged, gotten hurt or under-performed. Every guy playing for us was chosen to do so. Snyder does the deals for the players the coaches want. Arch didn't get 8 mil because we couldn't afford the better 9 mil player. He got 8 because they wanted him and Snyder made it happen. We are not losing because of anything Snyder has done.

dmek25
11-01-2006, 07:36 AM
I'm not sure what the point of this is, but coaches don't forget how to coach. so we probably need to look elsewhere for our problem. its more like evaluating talent could be the culprit

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