The Right Players For The Offense

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Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor
10-29-2006, 05:05 PM
I just believe we just don't have the right players for this offense to work. CP is my favorite player on the team but he is just not as patient as he needs to be in order to make those running plays work. He just too fast for the blockers we have. I also believe that our o-line is not as good as Kansas City's. I have been watching the chiefs games all season long and other than the pittsburg game they have been moving the ball down the field with ease. I mean on paper we should be a lot better than them with the players we have and the offensiv coordinator. I think everything starts with the o-line. Of course I main problem is the qb play. I mean the chiefs have Damon Huard looking better then trent green this year. We just need a qb who can withstand the pass rush and complete the pass instead of throwing it away or taking a sack. If jason campbell is not the answer than maybe draft one in this year's draft or pick up green for a couple of years before he retires to lead us to the super bowl with the talent we have on this team. Huard will definitely be the qb for the chiefs next year and maybe the rest of the season as well. I'm sorry i just felt like releasing exactly what has been on my mind.

RobH4413
10-29-2006, 05:19 PM
I just believe we just don't have the right players for this offense to work. CP is my favorite player on the team but he is just not as patient as he needs to be in order to make those running plays work. He just too fast for the blockers we have. I also believe that our o-line is not as good as Kansas City's. I have been watching the chiefs games all season long and other than the pittsburg game they have been moving the ball down the field with ease. I mean on paper we should be a lot better than them with the players we have and the offensiv coordinator. I think everything starts with the o-line. Of course I main problem is the qb play. I mean the chiefs have Damon Huard looking better then trent green this year. We just need a qb who can withstand the pass rush and complete the pass instead of throwing it away or taking a sack. If jason campbell is not the answer than maybe draft one in this year's draft or pick up green for a couple of years before he retires to lead us to the super bowl with the talent we have on this team. Huard will definitely be the qb for the chiefs next year and maybe the rest of the season as well. I'm sorry i just felt like releasing exactly what has been on my mind.
Randy Thomas isn't having a year like last year IMO. Not sure if it's the play calling or not, but I can remember him last year leading the way on alot of those counter-tre type plays. I always loved watching him pull because he was so fast and explosive. It may just be my imagination. As I've mentioned before, I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to analyzing the o-line, but clearly they're struggling, as is most of the aspects of our team.

I think Jason Campbell is the answer, eventually. Remember our offense isn't horrible, It's just not where it needs to be. We need to be able to dictate what a defense has to do, not vice versa. Pretty basic stuff I'm saying here, but reality is were not far off on the "O" side of the ball. I think it was Matty in a post recently said something to the effect that he's exactly what we should have expected of him at this point. He wasn't suppose to come in and tear the roof off right away. We all need to relax, and not over-interpret his lack of play as lack of potential.

Defense is another story. There's so many variables and chaos theories of why we can't get it done, all with some serious validity. We may be worse off on defense than we think. Hopefully GW will turn things around in a hurry.

offiss
10-29-2006, 08:49 PM
Great lines make good backs look great and avg backs look good, obviously Gibbs never understood what he had in the hogs, he's under the impresion that all you need is a high profile back and your off and running, no back can run without good blocking, Clinton Portis coming out of college looked to be a very good change of pace and third down type of back, but he was put into a system that allowed for big gains running the ball where he could use his speed to really run up some serious numbers, but just like most of the backs that go through denver he is a little better than avg back. personally I think he hits the holes to slow, he's still trying to run as if he was in denver waiting for the cut back that never comes. Stephen Jackson [st louis] would have been a much better fit for our offense, not to say we couldn't win with CP, just that 52 mil could have been spent on other players to help with pass protection and opening holes to run through etc. Not that we are capable of evaluating talent regardless of how many picks we have or how much money we have under the cap, we are horrible at talent evaluation.

But if we had a clue of how to draft, how much talent do you think we could have right now without 2 contracts, Brunell and Portis's 94mil? Keep in mind we could have traded Bailey for picks rather than giving up a second rounder, as well as giving up a second rounder for Brunell.

I am not even going to go into the rest of the picks we have thrown away!

SmootSmack
10-29-2006, 08:59 PM
Wasn't it a 3rd for Brunell? Either way, that's pretty presumptious I think to say that Gibbs has no appreciation for the value of a good offensive line

JWsleep
10-29-2006, 09:19 PM
Gibbs doesn't know the value of an o-line? Come on! That is very tough to justify. Is he too fond of MB, is he over the hill in terms of modern offense, is he too conservative, sure we can talk. BUt the man showed ALL YOU NEED to win is an oline. He made Rypien a super-bowl MVP, for crying out loud!

I think JC will help, and I agree that it's not a surpirse that the offense has been inconsistent. It's complex, and the system takes time to become second nature for these guys. WHen it does, this o-line, with these WRs and Portis, should be fine--IF JC ever plays!

And please leave Champ out of this! Portis holds the single season redskin running record--with the so-called lame o-line you just called out. Whatever.

offiss
10-29-2006, 11:19 PM
Gibbs doesn't know the value of an o-line? Come on! That is very tough to justify. Is he too fond of MB, is he over the hill in terms of modern offense, is he too conservative, sure we can talk. BUt the man showed ALL YOU NEED to win is an oline. He made Rypien a super-bowl MVP, for crying out loud!

I think JC will help, and I agree that it's not a surpirse that the offense has been inconsistent. It's complex, and the system takes time to become second nature for these guys. WHen it does, this o-line, with these WRs and Portis, should be fine--IF JC ever plays!

And please leave Champ out of this! Portis holds the single season redskin running record--with the so-called lame o-line you just called out. Whatever.


How many yards per carry? If you run a guy enough times he could eventually get 2000yds if he was capable of holding up. What's more important for an everydown running back, yds. per carry, or total yds? I say no question yds per carry, and if I am right about that then CP was the worst everydown back in the NFL that year, theres no getting around it. Just because Gibbs choose to run him into the ground to legitamize the signing is meaningless as far as I am concerned. And by the way Betts is averging more YDS per carry this year than Portis, and Betts comes in to get the tough yards.

No he didn't make SB MVP out of Rypien, our O-line did, the fact is Rypien wasen't anything to speak of before or after that year, and why? the O-line didn't allow anyone within 7 yards of him all year, we were on pace to set an NFL record for fewest sacks that year before the last game against the eagles. Did Gibbs take advantage of that? Absolutly, but I want to see him do it without a dominate O-line. Some here have been diverting attention from Brunell and have been blaming the O-line, well if that's the case who's responsible for the O-line, and why?

Big C
10-29-2006, 11:37 PM
4.3 YPC last year for portis, that is pretty good

70Chip
10-29-2006, 11:38 PM
I think the Lineman themselves are responsible. Samuels has had some good years some bad. This seems to be a bad one. Ditto Jansen. Rabach does some things well but not others. Thomas may never play like he did last year again. (age, broken leg) They never have consistently played well. I think the Saunders offense has them confused as well. I would like to see them come out after the bye week with a more simplified running attack and get the hell away from all the screens and draws. Run the ball 30 times with Portis regardless of the score and try three 9 routes a half. That leaves at least 20 pass plays where they can TRY to drop back a throw REGULAR passes.

I think it's more than presumptuous to say that Gibbs doesn't understand the value of line play. I don't think it really deserves a response.

Pocket$ $traight
10-29-2006, 11:39 PM
This offense needs one change and one change only. Cut off the head.

SmootSmack
10-30-2006, 12:04 AM
How many yards per carry? If you run a guy enough times he could eventually get 2000yds if he was capable of holding up. What's more important for an everydown running back, yds. per carry, or total yds? I say no question yds per carry, and if I am right about that then CP was the worst everydown back in the NFL that year, theres no getting around it. Just because Gibbs choose to run him into the ground to legitamize the signing is meaningless as far as I am concerned. And by the way Betts is averging more YDS per carry this year than Portis, and Betts comes in to get the tough yards.

No he didn't make SB MVP out of Rypien, our O-line did, the fact is Rypien wasen't anything to speak of before or after that year, and why? the O-line didn't allow anyone within 7 yards of him all year, we were on pace to set an NFL record for fewest sacks that year before the last game against the eagles. Did Gibbs take advantage of that? Absolutly, but I want to see him do it without a dominate O-line. Some here have been diverting attention from Brunell and have been blaming the O-line, well if that's the case who's responsible for the O-line, and why?


Did this post make sense to anyone else? I mean, I don't pretend to be nearly as knowledgeable as Offiss is, none of us are, but this has me completely confused. Little help please. Thanks

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