Why Brunell is Struggling

This is my first post, but I have been viewing the site for a few years now. It's good to be able to rejoice together and spew together. With that said, everyone knows Brunell is on his way out as starter whether it be this season or (MY God) hopefully next. Spending time trying to get him to learn this season (2-5) will result in Campbell taking all of next season trying to get acclimated to the system. When does the madness stop????????? WE MUST SEE IF CAMPBELL IS THE MAN FOR THE JOB OR NOT!!!

Welcome.

And I could not agree more. Such a waste of time. Get Cambell in there now.

In Trent Greens first season in this offense he had 51 plays over 20yds and 12 over 40yds, NFL.com doesnt show how many 3yd dump off passes to the rb he had but I am positive that it is nowhere near the amount that MB has.
In 2000 (Green's first season for the Rams as starter), Marshall Faulk had 81 receptions for 830 yards. 6 of those 81 were 20+, 2 of those were 40+, and he had 42 first downs. Which would lead me to believe that around half of his receptions were less than 10 yards.

(Here are the stats from the 2000 Rams (http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/stats.nsf/Annual/2000-stl))

As you said, Trent Green's first season in Saunders' offense, he struggled, and I would expect any QB who is going from one system to Saunders to struggle.

However, I think Brunell's struggles stem from the fact that he's honed in on Santana and Cooley moreso than anyone else, and doesn't feel comfortable spreading the ball around.

Yeah but in the end it has the same result if not worse. He takes far too many sacks and doesn't look for a dumpoff at all, or he forces the issue and throws a horrible pick.

Brunell either dumps it off or throws it away. At least he doesn't force the issue or take too many sacks.

I'm not saying either way is particularly effective, but sacks and turnovers are the quickest way to the bench as we've seen.

totally agree. age is the real problem. and i especially agree with what longtimefan just said about Brunell's legs.

there's a point where the mental advantage of being a vet is overcome by the disadvantage of being older. see Favre.

Here's a simple solution: Brunell's habit of dropping into the pocket, scanning the field and then patting the football has disrupted the timing of the offense

Buy him a puppy, sit his ass down on the bench and let him pat the puppy on the sideline. Start Campbell.

Oh, and DON'T let TAFKAS kick said puppy, cos he will, you know.

Here's a simple solution: Brunell's habit of dropping into the pocket, scanning the field and then patting the football has disrupted the timing of the offense

Buy him a puppy, sit his ass down on the bench and let him pat the puppy on the sideline. Start Campbell.

Oh, and DON'T let TAFKAS kick said puppy, cos he will, you know.

Daseal kicks the puppies. I just hold them a la Lucy Van Pelt

Tafkas and I are a tag team. I have the leg of a healthy Shane Lechler, and Tafkas has the long snapping ability of Ethan Albright (BTW, Tafkas. Fucked up what madden did to you!)

Shane 'Hannibal' Lechler?

In 2000 (Green's first season for the Rams as starter), Marshall Faulk had 81 receptions for 830 yards. 6 of those 81 were 20+, 2 of those were 40+, and he had 42 first downs. Which would lead me to believe that around half of his receptions were less than 10 yards.

(Here are the stats from the 2000 Rams (http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/stats.nsf/Annual/2000-stl))

As you said, Trent Green's first season in Saunders' offense, he struggled, and I would expect any QB who is going from one system to Saunders to struggle.

However, I think Brunell's struggles stem from the fact that he's honed in on Santana and Cooley moreso than anyone else, and doesn't feel comfortable spreading the ball around.

saunder's didn't run the rams offense (WR coach is NOT an OC, and he didn't call the plays). martz did (with help from vermeil, btw). trent green's stats from 2000 are for martz.

Right, that was in response to the amount of dumpoffs in the 2000 season.

The next season, 2001, when Vermeil cried his way to Kansas City, he took Saunders and made him O Coordinator, and then got Trent Green...so 2001 was Green's first season in Saunders' offense. I should have been more precise, but got lazy and hit submit before reading it over for the 903rd time ;)

Yeah but in the end it has the same result if not worse. He takes far too many sacks and doesn't look for a dumpoff at all, or he forces the issue and throws a horrible pick.

Brunell either dumps it off or throws it away. At least he doesn't force the issue or take too many sacks.

I'm not saying either way is particularly effective, but sacks and turnovers are the quickest way to the bench as we've seen.

Part of that has to do with what the coaches expect from them, Joe has no problem if Brunell throws the ball away 70% of the time so long as he doesn't throw an INT, as for Parcells he doesn't want the INT's obviously, but he also wants him to make plays and thats where the INT's come from, Bledsoe knows he has a problem with Parcells if he's not making plays, Brunell has a nice comfort zone knowing Gibbs is happy if we don't turn the ball over. I think, or know that Gibbs believes he can win if the QB just doesn't lose the game, rather than having him try to win the game. That may have worked a bit back in the day but in order to do that now you better have a phenomanol defense and a great running game we have neither right now. Gibbs had the luxory to do what ever he wanted back in the 80's because his O-line dominated most defensive lines, he no longer has that advantage and hasen't figured out how to over come an even playing field. Gibbs is playing a game a chess right now and he's trying to win without useing his quenn.

Bottom line neither QB is overly bright when it comes to figuring out defenses and they never were, Brunell was a playmaker much like Vick except he was a little better passer and a little slower. where as Bledsoe always had a million dollar arm and a ten cent brain. I was shocked that Parcells stuck with him this long.