It's not Brunell's fault!

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SouperMeister
10-22-2006, 10:33 PM
Celts, I wondered the same thing last week. I don't go to the games, so you can't really tell if the wideouts are getting open or not on TV.

But someone on the radio had an interesting viewpoint on whether the WRs are getting open -- in the NFL, getting open usually means only half a step from the defender. In this league, you must have a quarterback who can zip the ball in tight places -- sometimes on their back foot under heavy pressure.

Brunell seems to be good for two types of passes: Short, controlled throws within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, or desperation heaves to Moss, many times relying only on luck or Moss' ability to adjust to the ball.

But we must be wrong, because Gibbs obviously sees it differently.
The worst part of the offense isn't Brunell, it's the shoddy play of our supposedly studly O-line. They have regressed badly since the late season playoff run. Give Brunell a pocket that he can step up in, and he can still throw a decent deep ball. The 50 yard throw to Lloyd last week was a thing of beauty. My biggest knock on Brunell would be his tunnel vision for Moss and Cooley, but he did a better job utilizing ARE and Lloyd today. Bottom line, when the O-line protects more consistently, our QB will be able to get the ball downfield.

EternalEnigma21
10-22-2006, 10:34 PM
Down by 20 pts in the fourth, you may want to take a couple of shots downfield, or at least past the first down line,

or hell the line of scrimmage?

Longtimefan
10-22-2006, 10:36 PM
Let's face it guys, there's a whole lot wrong with this football team, so much so I wouldn't know where to start fixing it. You're right it's not Brunell's fault, it' the coaching staff's fault for continuing to put him out there. The coaching staff is responsible for a great deal thas wrong with this team, too much has been invested for the results we're seeing.

celts32
10-22-2006, 10:37 PM
Celts, I wondered the same thing last week. I don't go to the games, so you can't really tell if the wideouts are getting open or not on TV.

And I have season tickets and have been to every home game this year and I still can't tell if people are always open. I see sometimes where they are open and he misfires or doesn't see the guy, but when I watch the offense my eyes are usually fixated on the backfield to see what they are doing with the ball. I usually don't look at the WR's unless the ball goes to them. I just can't train my eyes to see everything and i can't bring myself to miss a play so i can watch just the WR's. I would love for someone to fill me in on how to watch everything at the same time.

illdefined
10-22-2006, 10:39 PM
Down by 20 pts in the fourth, you may want to take a couple of shots downfield, or at least past the first down line,

or hell the line of scrimmage?

no, instead we should keep throwing to our 'deep threat' who had the *most* receptions in the game, and was 2 yds shy of being our number one receiver.

LADELL BETTS.


yes, the backup runningback.

jdlea
10-22-2006, 11:44 PM
Celts, I wondered the same thing last week. I don't go to the games, so you can't really tell if the wideouts are getting open or not on TV.

But someone on the radio had an interesting viewpoint on whether the WRs are getting open -- in the NFL, getting open usually means only half a step from the defender. In this league, you must have a quarterback who can zip the ball in tight places -- sometimes on their back foot under heavy pressure.

Brunell seems to be good for two types of passes: Short, controlled throws within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, or desperation heaves to Moss, many times relying only on luck or Moss' ability to adjust to the ball.

But we must be wrong, because Gibbs obviously sees it differently.

The only game I've been to where Brunell was the starter. That was the opener. The game against Minnesota. When I openly admitted that I booed the team. It was directed at Brunell. Why? Because I saw them in the red zone with Cooley or Moss (happened on 2 occasions) running free across the back of the end zone and all it would have taken was a little mustard on the ball for 6. What does he do? Throws it away once and takes a sack the other time. That's why I was booing the team in week 1. I know these guys can get open. You don't just forget how to do that this year. The ball's not getting there. Why else would Lloyd be flipping out?

jdlea
10-22-2006, 11:53 PM
Another thing...the only time he did throw in the middle of the field the ball was up. The Skins receivers aren't big enough to take shots from safeties because Mark's hanging them out to dry. He keeps throwing like that, they're gonna get their heads knocked off.

mike340
10-23-2006, 12:01 AM
I remember at one point in the first half Brunell was 10 of 15 with ?? yards. Then they gave the sacks/hurries numbers. There were 10 hurries. That means, in spite of all the dump-offs, he only had 5 unpressured passes. So can you try to go downfield if your OLine is so weak that you get pressured doing just short dump-offs? My feeling is that Saunders doesn't call the downfield plays because he doesn't trust the OLine to hold up long enough. And remember all those holding penalties? There's a lot more of them when the line has to pass protect for more time.

As far as pulling Brunell, I don't see it until we're (practically) mathematically eliminated. As it currently stands:
Philly: we have 2 more losses and we play them twice
Dallas and NY: After tomorrow, we will be 2 losses behind one and 3 behind the other, with one home game against each.
So we're not exactly out of it yet. But if we continue to play the way we have been...

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR
10-23-2006, 12:01 AM
come on its not mark fault the receivers are small. They have to grow over the bye week and get tuffer

SoCalSkinsFan
10-23-2006, 12:40 AM
I have an idea: tackle the guy with the f-ing ball. And enough with the stupid penalties. Brunell didn't contribute to either of those factors in losing the game. And somehow Greg Williams doesn't seem to get enough blame. We give up almost 25 points a game! JC, Brunell or whoever, we ain't winning too many games with that type of D.

And someone please put Arculetta and Samuels out of their misery. They're done.

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