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SouperMeister
09-18-2006, 11:30 PM
[-- Drafting Rocky was a mistake. The same mentality the coaching staff has with regard to Mark Brunell, equally applied to Shawn Springs. They blindly thought they could endlessly rely on him, and now it's come back to bite them.
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Beemer - let's give Rocky a chance to prove himself once the coaches are confident he's ready to start. He looks much more athletic than Holdman, and will probably have the starting job by midseason if the D doesn't improve.

SouperMeister
09-18-2006, 11:41 PM
Snyderatto can't comprehend this, because it doesn't think that way. I.E. Champ Bailey, Antonio Pierce, Stephen Davis, Fred Smoot, and eventually Chris Samuels, Jon Jansen, Clinton Portis, Santanna Moss, and Sean Taylor.
The biggest problem is that Snyder overpays for average talent and then doesn't have the cap space to keep his core group intact. Arrington never warrented Ray Lewis money, but Snyder all but ensured that we'd lose the #1 cover corner in the league (Champ) by overpaying for LaVar. I'm concerned that the money he gave Archuletta will make it much more difficult to retain Taylor when his contract us up. It also shocks me how little regard Gibbs has for the draft. People say that was his preference first time around, but I recall the Skins drafting a TON of their core players that were so crucial to the glory years, especially the original Hogs. I just can't see sustaining a winner without building inexpensive depth and eventual core studs thru the draft.

Rexi
09-18-2006, 11:48 PM
The biggest problem is that Snyder overpays for average talent and then doesn't have the cap space to keep his core group intact. Arrington never warrented Ray Lewis money, but Snyder all but ensured that we'd lose the #1 cover corner in the league (Champ) by overpaying for LaVar. I'm concerned that the money he gave Archuletta will make it much more difficult to retain Taylor when his contract us up. It also shocks me how little regard Gibbs has for the draft. People say that was his preference first time around, but I recall the Skins drafting a TON of their core players that were so crucial to the glory years, especially the original Hogs. I just can't see sustaining a winner without building inexpensive depth and eventual core studs thru the draft. I agree with a lot of this, I really just scratch my head at a lot of these moves. A lot of times the drafts picks were excessive, a 3rd and 4th for Lloyd? I would have taken either or less.

Beemnseven
09-18-2006, 11:51 PM
The biggest problem is that Snyder overpays for average talent and then doesn't have the cap space to keep his core group intact. Arrington never warrented Ray Lewis money, but Snyder all but ensured that we'd lose the #1 cover corner in the league (Champ) by overpaying for LaVar. I'm concerned that the money he gave Archuletta will make it much more difficult to retain Taylor when his contract us up. It also shocks me how little regard Gibbs has for the draft. People say that was his preference first time around, but I recall the Skins drafting a TON of their core players that were so crucial to the glory years, especially the original Hogs. I just can't see sustaining a winner without building inexpensive depth and eventual core studs thru the draft.

The consensus is that Champ wanted out no matter how much money Snyder threw at him. He was sick of losing in Washington. Who can blame him?

As far as Rocky goes, he may turn out to be a hell of a player, but I think we were more set at linebacker than secondary around draft time. I'd much prefer to see somebody like Jimmy Williams at corner rather than who we've got now -- instead, we'll see Rocky making a special teams play every two games or so. The front office HAD to know that Springs is nearing the twilight of his career.

Looks like Holdman and Posey are going to hold down the fort at linebacker for most of this season anyway.

Beemnseven
09-18-2006, 11:55 PM
I agree with a lot of this, I really just scratch my head at a lot of these moves. A lot of times the drafts picks were excessive, a 3rd and 4th for Lloyd? I would have taken either or less.

Hey Rexi, what was your opinion of Stubblefield when he left town for Washington?

On the local sportstalk show on the radio this morning, one of the D.C. newspaper guys remembered a conversation with a San Fran sportswriter around the time that the deal was signed. He said even though Stubblefield was the defensive player of the year and finished with 15 sacks, the Niners saw something that made them not jump at trying to re-sign Stubblefield. He finished by saying that the San Fransisco 49ers don't ever let anyone go that they can't stand to lose.

If only our front office had that kind of forsight.

Rexi
09-19-2006, 12:01 AM
Hey Rexi, what was your opinion of Stubblefield when he left town for Washington?

On the local sportstalk show on the radio this morning, one of the D.C. newspaper guys remembered a conversation with a San Fran sportswriter around the time that the deal was signed. He said even though Stubblefield was the defensive player of the year and finished with 15 sacks, the Niners saw something that made them not jump at trying to re-sign Stubblefield. He finished by saying that the San Fransisco 49ers don't ever let anyone go that they can't stand to lose.

If only our front office had that kind of forsight. Whoa that was along time ago and I was a lot younger then, but I remember liking the Stubby/ By duo. Our FO didn't have that kind of foresight for long, though...Terry Donahue *cough*

SmootSmack
09-19-2006, 12:27 AM
The biggest problem is that Snyder overpays for average talent and then doesn't have the cap space to keep his core group intact. Arrington never warrented Ray Lewis money, but Snyder all but ensured that we'd lose the #1 cover corner in the league (Champ) by overpaying for LaVar. I'm concerned that the money he gave Archuletta will make it much more difficult to retain Taylor when his contract us up. It also shocks me how little regard Gibbs has for the draft. People say that was his preference first time around, but I recall the Skins drafting a TON of their core players that were so crucial to the glory years, especially the original Hogs. I just can't see sustaining a winner without building inexpensive depth and eventual core studs thru the draft.

Well we drafted 3/5ths of our starting offensive line. In Gibbs' first run remember drafts lasted many more rounds and guys like Jacoby, Riggins, Rogers, Byner, Riggs, Williams, Clark, Sanders, Edwards, Geathers, etc. were all guys who weren't drafted by the Skins but were key contributors. Gibbs when he first returned that he wished he had the opportunity to go after free agents more the first time around had the rules allowed

RobH4413
09-19-2006, 12:49 AM
It isn't coaching talent that money was wasting on, but player talent. Letting Clark go was a huge mistake, and I'm starting to wonder if Snyder just wanted to sell some AA jerseys. I'm not sure if he influences these decisions anymore, but I believe he does...

MTK
09-19-2006, 09:37 AM
Funny how whenever we lose, talk always reverts back to talent acquisition.

I really don't see our talent level as a problem right now. It's piss poor execution and guys not playing up to their potential.

I really don't care how we get players or how much they're making. What it comes down to is them getting the job done on the field, which they're not doing right now.

4skins23
09-19-2006, 10:00 AM
Funny how whenever we lose, talk always reverts back to talent acquisition.

I really don't see our talent level as a problem right now. It's piss poor execution and guys not playing up to their potential.

I really don't care how we get players or how much they're making. What it comes down to is them getting the job done on the field, which they're not doing right now.




I totally agree with you. It may be that the coaches haven't figured out how to use some of the players talent to their benefit yet. That or they are just not playing as a team. Playing as a team goes along way when your on the line/ in the trenches. We may have been able to double team guys like D. Ware.

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