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itvnetop 09-19-2006, 01:08 AM Anybody thought that the offensive line sucks? I am not saying that it is them, but I am not saying it is Brunell. Yes, he looks weak, and somebody needs to sit him down and point that out to him, lets face it, our offense sucks. It is not the coach, it is not the Qb, it is not the play calling. It is the team, they look lost as hell(Cooley, Brunell, Offensive line, Cheerleaders) everyone looks lost. And they better fix damn fix it or we are the team that all the league wants us to be. SHITTY
to be somewhat fair, let's remember the cowboys sent the house more than normal... and betts/duckett don't come close to picking up the blitz like portis. i still think the o-line is still adjusting to the new schemes (no doubt about that). dockery was getting comfortable last season, but this new system probably has him confused. rabach isn't looking like himself either.
twinskinsfan 09-19-2006, 01:14 AM Benching Brunell might make alot of people happy right now. But has anyone thought that maybe it is our team collectively that blows? Our offesive line sucks. Yes, Brunell at this very momemt, the obvious, SUCKS, and the coahes suck. I think everybody on the offensive side is lost as hell, nobldy has a clue where they are supposed to be at anytime. The defense, I think the rest of the league has figured us out. They know where we are coming from, and WAHT THE HELL, IF YOU WANT TO SCORE A TOUCHDOWN ON THE REDSKINS, THEN....THROW IT DEEP!!! easy as that.
RobH4413 09-19-2006, 01:40 AM I wish I could say something wise and unconventional... and I really want to say "start Mark Brunell". I mean I wish I could say "Look at last year... he looked sooo bad... and then BOOM! He came out of no-where and showed up".. ..
I want to say Mark Brunell still has a few great years left. He had a career year last year. He threw for over 3000 yards. He was a Force.
But I forgot last year. I live in the present. I speak on raw emotion, and I have blind faith in a rookie quarterback that has never thrown a pass in the NFL. My Judgement far exceeds a 3 time superbowl winner. I'm educated... I watch sportscenter. I should be the coach. Joe Gibbs is a great guy and all but isn't he fed up with Mark? I am so bitter about losing to Dallas that something MUST change. I can't stand losing, so I'm going to change the guy that took us to the playoffs last year and threw for 25 touchdowns and 10 interceptions and put my eggs in a different basket. Ef you Mark Brunell, YOU SUCK.
Bushead 09-19-2006, 01:58 AM I'm so amazed at ALL OF YOU! Two games down and this is what happens? JESUS CHRIST! If Portis was playing, we would be talking about REPLACING portis too. This is absolutely ridicilous. I think everyone is trying to place the blame on anything that is accessible; who is more blamable than mark Brunell? He gave us an Amazing year, and I really do mean that. Look at the Stats; they are fucking good. He played a good game last week... and this week things fell apart so it means he must be benched. But do any of you realize if we throw Jason Campell In there, its going to be a waste of a year? If the redskins dont' get a running game, Jason Cambell is going to get messed up. IF the redskins don't get a running game now, Mark Brunell isn't going to succeed either. If the Redskins dont' get a running game, the Defense is going to suffer.
So before we start blaming Mark Brunell for everything that happened to the redskins for the past 30 years, lets look at the lack of running the ball.
SmootSmack 09-19-2006, 02:03 AM I hear what you're saying, twinskins. Though I don't know that it warranted a new thread. You're echoing the sentiments of several people who have said all the blame can't be Brunell's in several posts in several threads. The blame has to go all around, including but not only Brunell.
SmootSmack 09-19-2006, 02:04 AM haha, I didnt have to go work yesterday because of this wonderful day
Seriously? That's awesome.
GMScud 09-19-2006, 02:08 AM I have mixed feelings on benching Brunell. He has looked awful, to say the least. But he can still put some zip on the ball, and is pretty good at not turning it over. I think we need to leave him in there until he gets some decent pass protection and #26 comes back to bolster the running game. I can say with conviction that we cannot put the ball in Brunell's hands and say, "hey Mark, go win the game." That just won't happen. If we can RUN the damn ball to set up the passing game, then I believe he can still be effecient. But with no Portis, no pass blocking, and only 16 friggin running plays a game, we're aren't going anywhere. Where is our vaunted O-line? Can't Buges get these "dirtbags" to knuckle up a bit? We made the Cowboys D-line look way better than they are.
And on that note, WHY THE HELL AREN'T WE RUNNING IT MORE???? Down the stretch last year when we ripped off the last 5 regular season games, we ran it 35-40 times per contest. That's what won Coach Gibbs three Super Bowls in his first stint, and that has been the biggest determinant of his success this time around. RUN RUN RUN, and the field will open up for the pass!!!!! Although you have to convert 3rd downs first I guess....
SmootSmack 09-19-2006, 02:12 AM I think there are several reasons we aren't running more. But the two main ones are that a.) the gap between Portis and Betts talentwise is a lot bigger than many perhaps originally thought, and b.) stupid penalties on 1st and 2nd down are forcing 3rd and longs. I think it's time for Duckett to move up a spot in the depth chart. I mean is Betts still hurt, because he doesn't look so great. No one does, but he especially just looks really slow
djnemo65 09-19-2006, 02:20 AM I'm so amazed at ALL OF YOU! Two games down and this is what happens? JESUS CHRIST! If Portis was playing, we would be talking about REPLACING portis too. This is absolutely ridicilous. I think everyone is trying to place the blame on anything that is accessible; who is more blamable than mark Brunell? He gave us an Amazing year, and I really do mean that. Look at the Stats; they are fucking good. He played a good game last week... and this week things fell apart so it means he must be benched. But do any of you realize if we throw Jason Campell In there, its going to be a waste of a year? If the redskins dont' get a running game, Jason Cambell is going to get messed up. IF the redskins don't get a running game now, Mark Brunell isn't going to succeed either. If the Redskins dont' get a running game, the Defense is going to suffer.
So before we start blaming Mark Brunell for everything that happened to the redskins for the past 30 years, lets look at the lack of running the ball.
I agree that now is not the time for Campbell, that our destiny for this season is probably going to remain in Brunell's hands, but I disagree with your assesment that this thread represents some kind of unfair witchhunt. I think the overwhelming results of this poll reflect a growing anxiety amongst Redskins nation that Brunell is no longer capable of playing big time NFL football, that he is all washed up. Yes the running game looks bad. Yes the line is porous. There are problems with this team that go beyond the quarterback position. But what I - and evidently many others - see when we watch Brunell is someone who cant get velocity on his passes, who wont plant and deliver, who wont take shots down the field, who is immobile, etc. There are, for me, discernable deficiencies in his game. I think I could throw a better ball than him, and I was a holder in Junior High School.
Anyway, my point is that there is a difference between saying that all of our problems this season can be attributed to him (they cant) versus saying that, given our many smaller problems, at quarterback we have a big problem, which is what I think the more intelligent posts in this thread argue. Like it or not Brunell is the quarterback, but are you seriously saying you are comfortable with this, at least as of right now? Trotting out his stats from the first 14 games of last season proves nothing, because we are now going on, what, 9 straight wobbly games from him? It hurts to face it, but this team just might have problems at qb that are too big to overcome. Curse at us all you want, but I think Brunell's performance so far this season at least warrants questioning.
skinsfanthru&thru 09-19-2006, 02:21 AM Sorry if anyone else posted something similar but I don't feel like reading through 35 pages of posts so here goes:
I almost started to say yes but I think with as huge as this playbook is, he should get another week. Normally there shouldn't be any major position changes barring injury but Brunell looks like an old Patrick Ramsey w/o the arm. He looked so lost and flustered last night that if I hadn't known better, I would have thought him to be a fresh rookie getting thrown to the lions. He panicked when he had protection and he couldn't throw it away or run when the pressure got close. He consistently was throwing behind his target and was always throwing off his back foot. He never attempted anything downfield even when replays showed he had a reciever with a step on the dbs. This season has too much invested in it to keep giving someone who hasn't produced in his last 8 games dating back to last year's playoffs and including the preseason. And there's something about the way Al Saunders has said that if a switch were to be made, they would bypass Collins and immediately go to Campbell and that speaks a lot of the coaching staffs belief in Campbell's abilities to me. But Brunell does deserve a full game of a healthy Portis and they MUST get Cooley and Moss involved early and often. I honestly think the team can bounce back from this rough start and be the team we all thought they could be, but someone must inject some life and energy into this team because thus far they have played like a team with no heart and desire.
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