Scoot over Jon Hall, bring in Tyler Jones.

How many more times does he have to miss? We need to be looking at the kickers who are out there and have a competition. John Hall is injury prone and if he cant make the kicks he has to go.

It's not that simple. The question isn't simply "how many more times does he have to miss." The question is will Nick Novak (or any other chump kicker who is available) miss less often than John Hall? The answer is no in my mind. Novak kicks the ball too low, has too many blocked.

And blocks aren't just misses. Blocks have the potential for being run back for a TD.

Think about it man. Why would a kicker be available during Week 2 of the season if he was any good?

Is Nick Novak (or anyone else available right now) really any better than John Hall? Even if Hall continues to hit at a rate of only 70%, he's still better than Nick Novak or anybody else available in the free agent market. You don't just go cutting a guy just because he's been missing. You replace him if you can find somebody better. I don't know that we can.

We should have gone after Ryan Longwell in the offseason when we had the chance. He's appreciably better than Hall. But trying to replace him now would be pointless. We'd end up with an equally substandard kicker, if not worse.

Hence our dilema. Hall isn't all that good, but who's out there right now that's any better. Unless he totally tanks and stinks it up over the next couple of games, now isn't the time to experimenting with a new kicker.

The chances of finding someone on the street who can do a better job than Hall right now is pretty slim.

Listen here is what i am suggesting...lets get novak and whoever else we can find and bring them to redskins park and lets have a kicking competition. John Hall has never been the most reliable kicker in the world(as far as staying healhty) and the fact that we didnt have a competition during training camp boggles my mind.

Listen here is what i am suggesting...lets get novak and whoever else we can find and bring them to redskins park and lets have a kicking competition. John Hall has never been the most reliable kicker in the world(as far as staying healhty) and the fact that we didnt have a competition during training camp boggles my mind.

A kicking competition in practice means squadoosh.

Would have been nice to just sign Vinatieri, Vanderjagt, or Longwell in the offseason. But we didn't.

Signing Nick Novak does not solve any kicking problems we have. That's jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire because he's a bum. We made our bed now we've got to lie in it. We're stuck with Hall, we're not going to find anybody better.

Does anyone still think Jon Hall can kick anything past 35 yards? I don't. I know that he was a great kicker, but I think we are waisting time and games on him. So he can kick with his shirt off and act like he is the man, who cares. I feel scared half to death when he steps out to kick. I really have to hold my breathe and hope to God he makes it. I think we need to bring Tyler Jones out and give him another shot, trust me, the guy is for real. At Boise St. the dude was awesome. He would hit the back of the endzone 90% of the time. I am from Idaho and remember him kicking our ass in football, GIVE HIM A ANOTHER SHOT!!! OK, all of this Hall bashing is getting old. He has had health issues the past couple of years but besides that and last week when has he let us down. They say his injury is not an issue this year and the miss in last weeks game was not an issue of distance I think if he hit the ball straight it would have been good from 59 yards. So, can anyone name a game that Hall has missed a FG that cost us a game other than the Vikings game? Even if he made the FG there was no telling if we even would have won the game. I know its his job to make those but kickers are going to miss them and I think after all his injury issues everyone is piling up on him. So please someone name the others he missed to cost us a game?

If one more miss by Hall means one more game in the loss column, it'll be too late. Hall showed that his range is 27 yards - barely. On Monday Night, if it comes to 4th down between Dallas' 15 and 40, we have to go for it.

It probably IS unlikely that we can find an available kicker better than Hall, or they'd already have a job.

Here's a solution...go for it on 4th down when in FG range. If we only score a TD 1 out of 3 times we try it, there's 7 points instead of 9 IF HALL made all of the FGs...which is unlikely. We brought in a lot of offensive weapons, lets use them.

I don't think Gibbs would go for that idea though! :D

OK, all of this Hall bashing is getting old.

His kicking like crap and getting hurt is getting old. When his problems are history, so will the bashing. If it means putting him on a Greyhound to solve the problems, so be it. You can't blame us for complaining about his inability to do the job he's paid to do.

That's the thing about Hall is that he tends to get injured mid-season, and we have to scramble to find a replacement. We always end up getting a crappy replacement because, as Matty said, there ain't much available after August.