Talent Acquisition: Synder/Gibbs Style vs Jones/Parcells Style

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5RINGS
08-23-2006, 07:29 PM
You all must have heard by now that The Cowboys have released their 2003 3rd round pick and their 2004 3rd round pick - OG Stephen Peterman, and QB Drew Henson.

The press core asked Parcells if he regretted losing those players because of the investment and the waste of a draft pick.

He replied that they are in the Talent Acquisition business, and that some of his undrafted gems offset the 3rd round busts.

I saw this on a Cowboys site and thought it might be of interest here.

"Is he saying that low drafts picks are overvalued? Maybe our friend Dan Synder is ahead of the curve here. As all of you know, every year the Skins give away their draft picks for unspectacular yet proven talent…they did it again last night by giving away next year’s 3rd rounder for TJ Duckett. It has me thinking, is a team better off keeping their draft picks and taking their chance on a boom or bust player or is it better to trade them for steady proven talent? Below is a summary of both the Boys and the Skins 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft picks over the past five year. You be the judge, who has fared better with their respective strategies?

Skins ‘06

1. Traded pick as part of Jason Campbell pick.
2. Roger McIntosh; they also gave up an ‘07 2nd round pick to move up to take him.
3. Traded pick as well as their ‘07 4th rounder for Brandon Lloyd.

Cowboys ‘06

1. Carpenter
2. Fasano
3. Hatcher

Skins ‘05

1. Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell
2. Traded pick to move up in ‘04 to select Chris Cooley.
3. Traded pick to trade for Brunell

Boys ‘05

1. Ware and Spears
2. Burnett
3. Hensen–no longer on roster

Skins ‘04

1. Sean Taylor
2. Traded pick along with Champ Bailey to obtain Clinton Portis
3. Chris Cooley

Boys ‘04

1. Traded for Bills 1st rounder in ‘05 and Bills 2nd rounder in ‘04
2. Rogers–no longer on roster; Jones
3. Peterman–no longer on roster

Skins ‘03

1. Traded to Jets to pick up Coles; later traded Coles for Santana Moss
2. Taylor Jacobs–no longer on roster
3. Derrick Dockery

Boys ‘03

1. Newman
2. Johnson
3. Witten

Skins ‘02

1. Patrick Ramsey–traded to Jets for a 6th rounder
2. Ladell Betts
3. Rashad Bauman–no longer on roster; Cliff Russell–no longer on roster

Boys ‘02

1. Williams
2. Gurode; Bryant–traded for Quincy Morgan–no longer on roster
3. Ross–no longer on roster

So let’s add it up:

Including the players that have been traded for, the Skins have 11 of those player still on their roster, but you would have to subtract 1 player since they gave up Champ Bailey to obtain Clinton Portis. The Cowboys have 12 of those players still on their roster, so only 2 more.

How ’bout from a talent standpoint? Who are the true superstars (I’m talking proven Pro Bowlers or most likely to be a Pro Bowler) obtained with those picks/trades?

The Skins:

Chris Cooley
Santana Moss

Once again, Portis is a superstar, but so is Champ Bailey so they offset. It’s too early to tell for Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell.

The Boys:

Ware
Newman
Witten
Williams

Those are definitely 4 superstars. The verdict is still out on this year’s draftees as well as Burnett, Spears, and Jones.

So what do you guys think…who has the better strategy?"

Now I can see the Cowboy Colored glasses on this guy. He failed to include Sean Taylor. And I am sure that the name Roy Williams and Terrance Newman will be objectionable to some of you. but really, for all the complaining about the Skins throwing their future away this list doesn't seem to support that.

An advantage for Dallas is that the Drafted players come cheaper initially.

gibbsisgod
08-23-2006, 07:36 PM
newman a superstar? i am not sure about that.

but if they consider him one than why dont they consider ST one for us? did anyone point that out to this guy?

ware had one good season. he has all the talent in the world but i would put him in the 'verdict is still out' category.


***EDIT*** i didnt notice that last paragraph before i replied.....sorry.

gibbsisgod
08-23-2006, 07:37 PM
and IMO, williams is way overrated but that is a discussion for another time.

MightyJoeGibbs
08-23-2006, 07:38 PM
Dallas does a good job either drafting or simply cuz they have draft picks. The defense surely will reap the benefits and prolong their franchise as an outcome. I really wish we had Ware on our team.

number21isabadman
08-23-2006, 07:42 PM
your gay, sean taylor is better than every single one of your defensive backs/safetys including newman and williams. so i guess they cancel out 1 sean taylor for 4 cowgirls sounds fair

gibbsisgod
08-23-2006, 07:45 PM
your gay, sean taylor is better than every single one of your defensive backs/safetys including newman and williams. so i guess they cancel out 1 sean taylor for 4 cowgirls sounds fairin his defense he didnt write that. he just posted it from another site.

5RINGS
08-23-2006, 07:47 PM
Dallas does a good job either drafting or simply cuz they have draft picks. The defense surely will reap the benefits and prolong their franchise as an outcome. I really wish we had Ware on our team.

Yes, but if the name of the game is keeping enough talent to keep your team in the hunt for the SB, then the Snyder/Gibbs method isn't as short sighted as it is often accused as being.

hooskins
08-23-2006, 08:39 PM
your gay,

Haha, I love the hatred.

wolfeskins
08-23-2006, 08:53 PM
interesting bit of reading but the writer was definately looking through blue glasses. taylor undoubtingly, should be on the list and if he's gonna put ware on the list then i feel he should include carlos rogers.

ps. newman is nowere near superstar material.

GoSkins!
08-23-2006, 10:26 PM
Yes, but if the name of the game is keeping enough talent to keep your team in the hunt for the SB, then the Snyder/Gibbs method isn't as short sighted as it is often accused as being.

As long as they can sign whomever they want, they shouldn't be considered short sighted. The truth is that everyone that takes the short sighted stance is projecting into the future instead of looking at the fact that in the past the skins fill almost all thier major needs every year without ever really facing the projected cap hell.

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