Negotiations between Saints, Bush agent to heat up

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itvnetop
07-28-2006, 01:38 AM
it's stupid because he is already a got millions from promotions. if he really cared about neworleans (as he says)he would sign a deal that was respectable and move on already. he only cares about himself

yes, because professional athletes should never try to negotiate their worth to the franchise and always short change themselves for the good of the team... /sarcasm. who the hell else should he care about if he's putting his body on the line?

Doesn't care about New Orleans huh??? (http://www.jointheteam.com/features/?f=325&t=29)

steveo395
07-28-2006, 01:40 AM
yes, because professional athletes should never try to negotiate their worth to the franchise and always short change themselves for the good of the team... /sarcasm. who the hell else should he care about if he's putting his body on the line?

Doesn't care about New Orleans huh??? (http://www.jointheteam.com/features/?f=325&t=29)
but he's not worth more than the number one pick...he was the #2 pick, so he should be paid like it

jdlea
07-28-2006, 01:44 AM
but he's not worth more than the number one pick...he was the #2 pick, so he should be paid like it

Vince Young was the number 3 pick and he's being paid more than the #1 pick. The difference in guaranteed money is 1 or 2 million between Williams and Young. So, it seems that Reggie will have to be paid close to that according to the way rookie contracts are negotiated.

itvnetop
07-28-2006, 01:45 AM
but he's not worth more than the number one pick...he was the #2 pick, so he should be paid like it

Mario Williams (first pick): 6 year/54/26.5 g
Vince Young (third pick): 6 year (option 6th)/58/25.7 g

Granted, both of these guys probably won't see these full base salaries before extensions hit (and williams gets a little more guaranteed), but the fact is VY's numbers are higher than MW's.

Justify this...

steveo395
07-28-2006, 01:48 AM
Mario Williams (first pick): 6 year/54/26.5 g
Vince Young (third pick): 6 year (option 6th)/58/25.7 g

Granted, both of these guys probably won't see these full base salaries before extensions hit (and williams gets a little more gauranteed), but the fact is VY's numbers are higher than MW's.

Justify this...
mario williams still got more guaranteed money and the only way vince young can make more than him is if he meets certain escalators and plays out the whole deal (most likely won't happen)

reggie bush should get guaranteed money at about 26 million with the base salary somewhere around where these two players are. He shouldn't get more guaranteed money than williams, which is what he wants

itvnetop
07-28-2006, 01:55 AM
reggie bush should get guaranteed money at about 26 million with the base salary somewhere around where these two players are. He shouldn't get more guaranteed money than williams, which is what he wants

so if the rumour is true that bush wants a dollar more guaranteed than williams, it's a matter of principle with him. the only reason why he and his agent would want a dollar more than williams has to do with his belief that he should have been the number one pick and houston signed williams because of signability issues with RB. That may or may not be the truth, but it's what the Bush camp is basing their argument on.

if you split the guaranteed money down the middle (b/t young and williams), we're talking about a 500K difference of opinion b/t RB and the organization. Considering what Bush has already brought to the table, it's probably not worth the Saints trying to prove a point. RB isn't the typical no. 2 overall pick, despite what you want to believe.

Regardless, I do think both camps will meet down the middle and it'll probably get taken care of by Monday. I just don't understand all the hate towards the player regarding his own damn business- it's his livelihood we're talking about... we're just fans.

Daseal
07-28-2006, 06:06 AM
The last time a rookie asked to wear a number that didn't agree with the NFL number system, the rules got changed and Keyshawn got to wear #19.

Edge petitioned to wear #5 and got turned down. Before Keyshawn wasn't the league already thinking of opening up WR numbers because most teams carry a lot of WRs and numbers were a bit thin?

I mean, really. I don't know what everyone has against Reggie Bush. God forbid someone make a request of the league when they get drafted. God forbid a player's contract negotiations not go well with what is very possibly the worst organization in football. How about we talk about the positive shit he's done? He's jumped into the Katrina relief effort. He took a 1 page ad in the Times-Picayune after he went to dinner one night in New Orleans and got cheered. So, contract negotiations aren't going well, blame the player?
Yes, let's cry about Reggie Bush. Poor him. So what if he was illegally getting housing for his family and other perks against NCAA rules. You know what, if he wanted #1 pick money, he should have taken the contract Mario Williams now has. Because from everything I've heard, they tossed that deal to both, Mario accepted, Reggie declined. That said. QBs and DEs are two of the highest paid positions in football. They aren't a dime a dozen like running backs.

Good for Reggie for donating money to Katrina and the city of New Orleans to help it recover, but let's not act as if he did it totally selflessly. Remember when he was giving X amount of jersey sales to Katrina, as long as the NFL let him wear #5. That's not the least bit manipulative. An attempt to force the NFL to let him have 5 or to try to make them look bad. Luckily, he's giving that percentage anyways, but still. Lets not act like he didn't have some alternate motives.

Oh, and btw, coming off of a torn ACL, McAllister won't be of much use to them. He'll still be able to carry the load, maybe, but the yards aren't going to be impressive. So, Reggie will probably have to be the main option for them. Like it or not.
Listening to Sirius, the beat writer for New Orleans said the McAllister was definitely the #1 and was progressing great. Looked and (somehow) felt better than he has in a long time. Let's also not forget they have Michael Bennett who isn't a bad back and is Bush-esque in his scat back, small frame type of guy.

As they say in the NFL. You play for that 2nd contract. That's where you get your money. Once you're proven you can work on getting a big deal. Until then, he's just the next Ryan Leaf in my eyes.

dmek25
07-28-2006, 06:57 AM
im not sure what all the fuss is? i really could give a rats ass about what # reggie bush wants to wear. as far as the money, just another greedy, pampered athlete trying to make as much money as possible so his kids kids never have to work a day in their lives. i think its great that bush donated 50,000 to new orleans but, in the big scheme of things, fifty grand to him is peanuts. probably done more for the good publicity than anything else

TheMalcolmConnection
07-28-2006, 10:09 AM
If he hasn't signed a contract, where did he get that $50,000?

gibbsisgod
07-28-2006, 10:13 AM
If he hasn't signed a contract, where did he get that $50,000?endorsements. i think he signed a deal with adidas.

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