Overrated/Underrated

I give alot of credit to Vinatieri, he's definitely a clutch kicker, but I just have a hard time giving more credit for two championship seasons to a kicker over a QB.

Why? Only because he is a kicker?

The kicking game can win you games, but it cant put you in position to win games. The Patriots didnt rely on Vinateri to win all their games, he came up big a few times but 9/10 it was Brady putting the game away with touchdowns. You win the close ones with those last minute field goals, but you need the QB to get you into range.

I have to disagree with you on this one. All Tom Brady did when he won those Super Bowls was what Trent Dilfer did when the Ravens won there super bowl. They both rode there Defense to victories and did not make stupid mistakes on offense.

Does that mean that Trent Dilfer is underrated also?

Did you watch either of the two Superbowls the Pats won?
In this last one Tom Brady was named Super Bowl MVP after throwing for 354 yards and three touchdowns. I guess you think the defense threw those passes? Great quarterbacks give their best performances in the biggest games, and that was exactly what Brady did. Twice. In Super Bowl XXXVI, he marched the Patriots to the winning points against the St. Louis Rams. In Super Bowl XXXVIII, he marched the Patriots to the winning points against the Carolina Panthers. Both times with just seconds left on the clock and he saved the DEFENSE after the defense gave up the lead really late in both games.
Brady's numbers alone in Superbowl XXXVIII : 32 completions in 48 attempts for 354 yards and three touchdowns. The 32 completions broke a Super Bowl record.

I think you are also unaware that in 2001, Brady took over for a terrible performing and injured QB Drew Bledsoe and the Pats were 1-3. His play is credited for turning the team around and they went 13-2 the rest of the year and won the Super Bowl. I should know, I lived in Boston from 2000-2004. The defense did not start playing well untill late in the 2001 season. By then Brady had already turned the team around.

Also if you remember correctly Bledsoe did come in and do what he had to do against the Steelers in Pittsburgh to put the Pats in the super bowl that year, and the media had a field day trying to start a QB controversy right before the super bowl.

Also if you remember correctly Bledsoe did come in and do what he had to do against the Steelers in Pittsburgh to put the Pats in the super bowl that year, and the media had a field day trying to start a QB controversy right before the super bowl.


Yeah, but what has Bledsoe done since? The Bills have drafted a replacement and asked Bledsoe to take a pay cut or get cut. It is little reported but, Pro Bowl Offensive Guard Rueben Brown was suspeneded and traded because he got into a huge fight with our new Defensive coach Williams over Bledsoe. Williams wanted Bledsoe to get benched. Which is what all of Buffalo wanted. Williams stuck by Bledsoe and failed. He got fired.

Well thats good for Bledsoe, I really do not think that he is overrated nor do I think that he is underrated.

Even, in some magical world, it was Bledsoe that led the Pats to the game winning field goal in the super bowls, I would still feel that the MVP should have ben the guy that got them the victory with one chance left in the game, who came in under all that pressure and has to perform only on 1 play.

This is going to make a lot of people mad but I think the most overrated Redskin is Fred Smoot. With Fred there always seems to be a lot of excuses, such as he gets the ball thrown his way more because peopel dont throw against Bailey. Well the fact is that he has had the ball thrown his way more, and he goes for the pick more than he goes for the smart play and gets burnt a lot. Im not doubting his ability to be a leader, hes definitly the voice of our defense right now. But in terms of his skills I think there are more reasons why he hasnt been great instaed of proff why he is. If we didnt get springs and if Smoot was playing the starting wide out I think we'd get burnt everyweek.

Smoot overrrated!! Well it's nice been having you here but you're banned! LOL. J/K

I understand what you're saying about Smoot. But I think if given the opportunity to go up against the top receiver each week he's matured these last three years where he could more than hold his own

Well thats good for Bledsoe, I really do not think that he is overrated nor do I think that he is underrated.

Even, in some magical world, it was Bledsoe that led the Pats to the game winning field goal in the super bowls, I would still feel that the MVP should have ben the guy that got them the victory with one chance left in the game, who came in under all that pressure and has to perform only on 1 play.

Bledsoe had his chance in a super bowl and lost big. Great QB's like Brady win the big game, twice. Bledsoe got crushed. Time will tell if Brady deserves to be included in the great QB list.

You are right Bledsoe did loose big, but I am not comparing Bledsoe to Brady or Brady to Bledsoe.

Well thats good for Bledsoe, I really do not think that he is overrated nor do I think that he is underrated.

Even, in some magical world, it was Bledsoe that led the Pats to the game winning field goal in the super bowls, I would still feel that the MVP should have ben the guy that got them the victory with one chance left in the game, who came in under all that pressure and has to perform only on 1 play.
I look at it as any game doesn't really come down to just one play. There is always a series of plays that lead up to that one play. There would be no game winning FG attempt if not for other circumstances that lead up to that moment.

Just because it's the last play doesn't mean it was the most important.