Are the NY Giants making good decisions?

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Shane
05-18-2004, 08:53 PM

Shane
05-18-2004, 08:59 PM
Somehow the headline of the post got posted before I could write anything.
I am wondering if the Giants have made a good decision in hiring taskmaster Tom Coughlin. Is Coach Coughlin out of step with the times? It is interesting that some of the Giants have already gotten so concerned that they have filed a grievance against Coughlin with the NFL Players Association.

Did you all see that Coughlin drafted his son in law with I think their second round draft choice?

And then what is going on with the firing of Kerry Collins, a very good quarterback who was apparently a core team leader?

And what about paying the huge price they did to move up in the draft to pick Eli Manning? Was that a wise use of their draft choices?

SmootSmack
05-18-2004, 09:09 PM
I look at the Giants and the 49ers and I see two teams going nowhere fast.

First the Giants got rid of taskmaster Jim Fassell and replaced him with taskmaster Tom Coughlin, and while Coughlin is proven is he all that much more proven than Fassel? This isn't like bringing Parcells or Gibbs to right the ship

As for Kerry Collins. I think he can still play and I'm sure he'll find a place to play in the next few months. And I don't think replacing him with Kurt Warner would be an improvement. Warner is a shell (if event that) of what he was 4 years ago and had the benefit of Holt, Bruce and Faulk making up the "greatest show on turf"

As for the Eli Manning deal...they wuz robbed!

exit0
05-18-2004, 09:14 PM
I think the Giants really made some dumb moves. The players quit on Fassell. Maybe he lost control of the team I don't know... but he had them playing way over their talent the previous years.

And they gave WAAAY too much to get Manning. Lots of the experts didn't even think Manning was the top QB and the Giants mortgaged some of their future for this guy... who got so much publicity just because of his name.
We'll see.... he may prove me wrong but I'm thinking they gave up way too much for him.

Daseal
05-18-2004, 09:15 PM
I don't think that the Giants are making bad decesions. Collins didn't want to be a backup, and when you have a QB with the potential of Eli you go ahead and toss him in feet first.

Let's look at their offense:
Tiki Barber - A solid back with fumble problems, but better than what 95% of the first picks end up with for a RB.
Amani Toomer - One of the better receivers in the NFL, great to throw to!
Jeremey Shockee - Arguably the best TE in football, definitely a nice check down.
Ike Hilliard - very solid receiver.

Get rid of their line, and the Giants have a lot of offensive talent. If they can solidify their offensive line I'd be pretty scared of them.

For the most part they have to rebuild thier defense off cornerstones such as Michael Strahan.

I don't think they're going to be great this year, but I also think that in a couple years they could have a solid team. Fassell was too buddy buddy for the Giants, and they might have a tough time adjusting to a hardnosed coach.

Collins is gone because he wanted it more than them wanting him gone.

JoeRedskin
05-18-2004, 10:43 PM
I'm with Smoot. The Giants are going nowhere. Regardless of talent, this is a team with real "personality" problems. By game 5, they will be fighting with the coach, fighting with each other and giving up in games. San Diego is getting the number 1 pick again next year.

And, Daseal, there is no need to get rid of their O-Line, it's non-existent anyway.

Daseal
05-18-2004, 10:45 PM
I meant if you take the line out of the equation. Omit their offensive line, and they have a very talented offense. As I said, it will take a few years, but this division is gonna be tough!

Gmanc711
05-18-2004, 10:59 PM
They wont be as bad as people expect this year, I dont think. They wont be good either, however. I think in 3-4 years, they are gonna be a team to watch out for. It all depends on Emily Manning though.

Ghost
05-19-2004, 12:31 AM
If Eli turns out to be half as good as his brother, we'll be hating life in a few years. That said, I think they should have kept their 2005 first rounder (likely to be top ten, perhaps top five) and taken Rivers or moved down for Roethlisberger. The idea of trading two high draft picks for one unproven player would bother me if I were a Giants fan, especially since the difference between Eli, Rivers and Big Ben is fairly minimal, according to the draft experts. But you know that at least one of them will be the latest incarnation of Akili Smith or Ryan Leaf.

If Eli becomes a perennial Pro Bowler, then obviously it's a good trade. It'll take him at least a season to get acclimated though. I'd say the Giants are looking at another losing year but you never know in the NFL ... these days it's a short climb from cellar to Super Bowl.

SmootSmack
05-19-2004, 01:32 AM
I think Gman and to a lesser degree Ghost (sorry just had to say it) have brought up good points. It really does depend on "Emily" Manning but they gave up too much I think for someone who isn't clearly better at this point than Rivers or Roethlisberger

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