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FRPLG 06-15-2006, 12:39 PM Homeland Security was a result of 9/11 and was developed after 9/11.
Yeah the dept was made post 9/11. The agencies within though were all pre-exisiting though. There was no Homeland Security agency or dept before. I am sure that is totally Bush's fault.
12thMan 06-15-2006, 12:41 PM Yeah the dept was made post 9/11. The agencies within though were all pre-exisiting though. There was no Homeland Security agency or dept before. I am sure that is Bush's fault for sure.
Thanks for the clarification. Yes, they pretty much took an alrady existing agency and put Tom Ridges' face on it and called it Homeland Security.
mheisig 06-15-2006, 12:42 PM 100% correct. New Orleans had been warned for 30 years their levies would not withstand a category 3 or more hurricane and didn't do a thing. The local city officials, ESPECIALLY Mr. Chocolate City Mayor Nagin requested millions of dollars all of the time to upgrade them and spent the money building casinos and blowing it on fun things. The Governor of LA was JUST as bad, very VERY corrupt.
Laws even state that the first response and main responsibility for preparation and evacuation lies with local government. FEMA has in their policies that local governments must be prepared to wait up to 48 hours before they can take over things after the storm. It's like that everywhere in the nation and only New Orleans is stupid enough to be completeley unprepared. Katrina hit MISSISSIPPI directly, not NO and you didn't see them blaming FEMA because they weren't ready. You didn't see them looting and shooting and blowing recovery funds on sex changes and porn. New Orleans is and was a very corrupt place and they've brought ALL of their troubles on themselves.
President Bush even called Nagin two days before the storm hit and said "Uhhh, are you going to do ANYTHING to get people out of the way?" as a reminder and unofficial suggestion. So what did Nagin do? NOTHING! He had hundreds of school buses that were flooded instead of on the road to get people out of the way of the flooding that the corrupt and irresponsible city officials caused by ignoring warnings and not fixing the levies for decades.
When people with the welfare mentality think the government should do EVERYTHING for them, they end up disappointed, as they SHOULD.
Perfectly stated.
It's the responsibility of the local government, not the Federal government, to take the first steps in responding to and preparing for such disasters. The local government in LA and New Orleans basically ignored all the warnings until it was too late, then tried to pin it on the Federal government.
Again, a complete inability for people to take responsibility for their actions. Even now the inability of the citizens to clean things up themselves even in minor ways is simply appalling. Everyone expects someone else to come and solve their problems.
FRPLG 06-15-2006, 12:44 PM 100% correct. New Orleans had been warned for 30 years their levies would not withstand a category 3 or more hurricane and didn't do a thing. The local city officials, ESPECIALLY Mr. Chocolate City Mayor Nagin requested millions of dollars all of the time to upgrade them and spent the money building casinos and blowing it on fun things. The Governor of LA was JUST as bad, very VERY corrupt.
Laws even state that the first response and main responsibility for preparation and evacuation lies with local government. FEMA has in their policies that local governments must be prepared to wait up to 48 hours before they can take over things after the storm. It's like that everywhere in the nation and only New Orleans is stupid enough to be completeley unprepared. Katrina hit MISSISSIPPI directly, not New Orleans and you didn't see them blaming FEMA because they weren't ready. You didn't see them looting and shooting and blowing recovery funds on sex changes and porn. New Orleans is and was a very corrupt place and they've brought ALL of their troubles on themselves.
President Bush even called Nagin two days before the storm hit and said "Uhhh, are you going to do ANYTHING to get people out of the way?" as a reminder and unofficial suggestion. So what did Nagin do? NOTHING! He had hundreds of school buses that were flooded instead of on the road to get people out of the way of the flooding that the corrupt and irresponsible city officials caused by ignoring warnings and not fixing the levies for decades.
When people with the welfare mentality think the government should do EVERYTHING for them, they end up disappointed, as they SHOULD.
You're crazy man! You and your not blaming everything on Dubya. You have clearly lost it. You must be a card carrying Bushite.
Monkeydad 06-15-2006, 12:45 PM Thanks for the clarification. Yes, they pretty much took an alrady existing agency and put Tom Ridges' face on it and called it Homeland Security.
Actually, the DHS provided an organizational link between all of the agencies which got rid of the wall that Jamie Gorelick put up between the agencies in the Clinton years that prevented the agencies from sharing information. If they had been working together BEFORE 09-11, we could've prevented it by piecing all of their data together.
The DHS is a great thing, and very necessary. Notice how many terrorism plots we've foiled since 09-11...a LOT of them, most unreported by the media.
L.A. Airport for one, would've been blown to smitherines.
Yep, Bush's fault.
cpayne5 06-15-2006, 12:46 PM Yeah the dept was made post 9/11. The agencies within though were all pre-exisiting though. There was no Homeland Security agency or dept before. I am sure that is totally Bush's fault.
Actually, the pieces that now make up DHS were formed from chunks of 22 other government agencies. They weren't operating on their own.
firstdown 06-15-2006, 12:47 PM Perfectly stated.
It's the responsibility of the local government, not the Federal government, to take the first steps in responding to and preparing for such disasters. The local government in LA and New Orleans basically ignored all the warnings until it was too late, then tried to pin it on the Federal government.
Again, a complete inability for people to take responsibility for their actions. Even now the inability of the citizens to clean things up themselves even in minor ways is simply appalling. Everyone expects someone else to come and solve their problems.You know they found a survey of the New Orleans people about who would leave if a hurricane of a certain size was going to hit. I think something like 75% said they would not leave and ride out the hurricane. A hurricane does not realy bother me but one of that size and living below sea level I would have benn out of there.
cpayne5 06-15-2006, 12:47 PM The DHS is a great thing, and very necessary. Notice how many terrorism plots we've foiled since 09-11...a LOT of them, most unreported by the media.
L.A. Airport for one, would've been blown to smitherines.
Yep, Bush's fault.
Amazing how real [good] news doesn't get aired, isn't it?
FRPLG 06-15-2006, 12:47 PM Thanks for the clarification. Yes, they pretty much took an alrady existing agency and put Tom Ridges' face on it and called it Homeland Security.
They took 22 different agencies and tried to have them coordinate efforts. Anyone who has ever been part of a corporate merger or departmental meger knows how well something like that goes. A bunch of independent agencies(in this case) trying to work together is bound to be a disaster. Especially when the agencies themselves(FEMA is the best example) barely function on their own.
Monkeydad 06-15-2006, 12:50 PM You're crazy man! You and your not blaming everything on Dubya. You have clearly lost it. You must be a card carrying Bushite.
No, I just don't call him Hitler and blame EVERYTHING on him because I hate him and want him out of office.
If you look at facts instead of agendas, you'll see the blame for Katrina is spread all around but mostly the local and state government was at fault.
The position of President doesn't even have legal jurisdiction to take over responsibilities that state and the federal Constitution have outlined as state responsibilities. Even if President Bush had wanted to push them out of the way and take over, he couldn't legally. He did what he could by making suggestions to get people out, but that's really all he was allowed to do. Look at Florida, they have 20 hurricanes a year and aren't in chaos by one in New Orleans that didn't even hit them directly.
Sign up for a civics course somewhere, it might help you understand. You can't rely on media reports for facts.
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