Art Monk vs Michael Irvin

Oh yeah Irvin's QB = Troy Aikman HOF; Monk's QBs = Theismann, Schrader, Williams, Rypien none of whom are HOFs


Good point...

And even Aikman should not have ben a first ballot HOF either!!!!!!!

I'm gonna have disagree with you redskins8288. As much as I hate to admit it....Aikman deserved to be a first ballot HOFamer.

Still though, Monk should've been inducted years ago....

Why? I am not saying that Aikman should not have ben a first ballot HOF just because he was a cowboy, I am saying it because look at the talent that he had with him and then look at his stats. He is lucky to break the top 15 in each major QB stat catagory.

Out of Passing Completion, Passint TD's, and Passing Yards, Aikman only breaks the top 20 in Passing Completion where he is ranked #12 with 2,898. In the other catagories he is non-existant in the top 20. Now that is HOF worthy?

oh and here is my link for my info...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/alltime/leaders?cat=complete

Redskins P, I will give credit where credit is due and I just dont think that Aikmans career justifies him being a first ballot HOF. Just like when Steve Young was a first ballot HOF, I did not agree with that also, they were first ballot HOF'ers because of the talent that they had around them, IMO. I remember argueing about this with Matty when Young was selected. I do however agree with them selecting Warren Moon, he is ranked atleast 4th or 5th on the big 3 QB stats and he did it with just about no one helping him...

Redskins P, I will give credit where credit is due and I just dont think that Aikmans career justifies him being a first ballot HOF. Just like when Steve Young was a first ballot HOF, I did not agree with that also, they were first ballot HOF'ers because of the talent that they had around them, IMO. I remember argueing about this with Matty when Young was selected. I do however agree with them selecting Warren Moon, he is ranked atleast 4th or 5th on the big 3 QB stats and he did it with just about no one helping him...Young is easily one of the 5 best of all time. Aikman isn't in the top 15, and top 20 is pushing it.

Young is easily one of the 5 best of all time. Aikman isn't in the top 15, and top 20 is pushing it.
I still am not sold on Young, I can see how some may believe him to be a top QB but I just dont buy it. Esp. not one of the 5 best all time....

I wonder how many Wr's in the HOF played with HOF QB's? That may also shed some light on their success compartiably to Monk. Jerry Rice played with 2, Ervin played with 1, how bout someone do a breakdown on that one, Tafkas you may be useful in this area.:)

i might have to agree with gtripp on young.one of the best in our lifetime, and maybe....top 5 of all time. if stats are the measuring stick then no way does aikman get in

So you are putting Young ahead of Elway, Marino, Favre, Moon, Montana, Tarkenton, Johnny Unitas, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, and hell even Peyton Manning is ahead of Young in yards, TD's, and completions. I just dont see why everyone is sold on Young, yeah he was good but not top 5, IMO...