Skins salary cap figures

http://home.earthlink.net/~wahoofamily/salary04.htm

thanks man. They are going ot add Trotter to that dead money list soon.

If I'm not mistaken, as long as we cut Trotter after June 1st, he will count against next year's salary cap.

I think Fiore will be cut after June 1st also.

They're probably waiting to see if Fiore will retire instead

They're probably waiting to see if Fiore will retire instead

This question has come up before - Does it make a difference in the salary cap if Fiore retires or is cut? If it does make a difference what is it?

I thought (and think) it doesn't make any difference and that any signing bonus would be accelerated as normal (i.e. pre-June 1, counts entirely against 2004, post-June 1 prorated into 2005).

Does anyone have an answer to this with some back up from a league source, or are we all just guessing on this one?

This question has come up before - Does it make a difference in the salary cap if Fiore retires or is cut? If it does make a difference what is it?

I thought (and think) it doesn't make any difference and that any signing bonus would be accelerated as normal (i.e. pre-June 1, counts entirely against 2004, post-June 1 prorated into 2005).

Does anyone have an answer to this with some back up from a league source, or are we all just guessing on this one?

This is what I've been able to find so far:

"We already know that if a player is waived on or before June 1, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Acceleration also occurs when a player is traded or waived and picked up by another team. The new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus. The team that waived or traded the player is responsible for the accelerated signing bonus (in the same manner as described above). In most cases, if a player retires, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Thus, the team will take an immediate salary cap hit of the remaining signing bonus."

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp

PeteyPablo,
I think these figures are base salary only and do not represent the actual cap hit the team will take for each player. Some of these numbers seem low and I wonder if they do not include signing bonus or any incentive pay.
I have seen on other web sights that Chris Samuels cap hit (for example) this year will be a whopping $ 8.328M. However this sight says $5.132M.
Our resident cap expert CrazyCanuck is going to have to clear this up for us.

These definitely are base and using the bonus listed to figure out their cap hits doesn't really work as this doesn't consider everything inlcuded in a renegoiated contract. Samuels cap hit is 8.328 based on his base salary and a weird combination of roster bonuses,workout bonuses plus his signing bonus. He renegotiated last year to give 3.4 million in cap relief I believe and that is why we need a freaking Enrst and Young Accountant to figure this out. These renoegotiations are how the Skins make a mockery of the cap every year.

One thing I never found out about the CAP. Does incentives count against the cap? And do if so which year do they count against? Is there a limit on the percent of salary or amount of money can come from incentives?