Grade Rocky McIntosh

Are you on the other side of the negotiating table?
No, but if I was (for some strange reason), I would want to negotiate with the Redskins.

We frequently lose value in trades. It's not going to hurt us in the near future, just the distant future.

Like the pick, hate the price.

For someone who knows so much about the draft, this is a pretty crazy statement to make. You want to move a 6-foot, 220 pound player to linebacker? That's not going to work, he'll get eaten alive by even the most benign blocking TEs.

Here's what I think is happening. A lot of us spend countless hours doing draft research and reading up and becoming experts on the draft. But when it comes down to it, we don't know 1% of what Gibbs and Williams know about the NFL. I'm sorry, no matter how good you think you are, you don't know jack in the grand scheme.

None of us are watching film and breaking it down, none of us are attending games and scouting, none of us are interviewing the players. We get all the info second-hand and act like we might be able to make an informed decision. It's just pointless. We can't. It's a large waste of time.

You can't say Jimmy Williams would be any better than Rocky McIntosh without simply repeating a bunch of information you found on the internet. It's basic regurgitation and it's meaningless. All I know is Gibbs and Williams wanted him, and that to me says a lot. I guess we'll find out in the coming years.

so why do you even bother coming to this forum or sprouting any kind of opinion, since it's pointless? and apparently you missed the joke.

seriously, you want me to call you an idiot every time you post any opinion at all? I think its smart to maximize talent instead of locking on one player, you don't, that's fine. but it seems more like post-draft justification and zombie-like homerism than actual analysis.


remember desmond howard? remember guys like jeff george? sometimes the teams DO make mistakes, you're acting like they're somehow infallible or that its not human beings making these decisions.

so why do you even bother coming to this forum or sprouting any kind of opinion, since it's pointless? and apparently you missed the joke.

seriously, you want me to call you an idiot every time you post any opinion at all? I think its smart to maximize talent instead of locking on one player, you don't, that's fine. but it seems more like post-draft justification and zombie-like homerism than actual analysis.

The mere notion that you believe anyone on this site can offer worthy insight or "actual analysis" is laughable to me. When it comes to projecting prospects, the most knowledgable sportswriters in the game are often WAY off. Hell, a lot of coaches and GMs are often WAY off. The fact is we just don't know who's going to be good and who's not.

I also never called you an idiot. I hope you didn't think I did. I think you are smart and know a ton about college prospects. I'm just questioning the purpose behind all that research. I find it fruitless, that's all.

I just find the second-guessing of Gibbs' draft moves kind of funny, that's all. Does anyone really think they can challenge Gibbs' picks based on what they read on the internet? Pffft. He'd laugh at us if we did that.

That's just my philosophy on the whole subject. I do think it's fun to think about and give our opinions just for fun, but the second we start thinking we actually know something about these players is when we get too big for our britches. So I'll give my opinion on Jimmy Williams. I think he has character issues, I read that on the internet. So I can see why Gibbs went with Rocky.

For someone who knows so much about the draft, this is a pretty crazy statement to make. You want to move a 6-foot, 220 pound player to linebacker? That's not going to work, he'll get eaten alive by even the most benign blocking TEs.

Here's what I think is happening. A lot of us spend countless hours doing draft research and reading up and becoming experts on the draft. But when it comes down to it, we don't know 1% of what Gibbs and Williams know about the NFL. I'm sorry, no matter how good you think you are, you don't know jack in the grand scheme.

None of us are watching film and breaking it down, none of us are attending games and scouting, none of us are interviewing the players. We get all the info second-hand and act like we might be able to make an informed decision. It's just pointless. We can't. It's a large waste of time.

You can't say Jimmy Williams would be any better than Rocky McIntosh without simply repeating a bunch of information you found on the internet. It's basic regurgitation and it's meaningless. All I know is Gibbs and Williams wanted him, and that to me says a lot. I guess we'll find out in the coming years.



You said it all right here Schneed and what you say is true. Too many times we get caught up in the pre-draft hype from people we all have already admitted know very little about players or the game of football. They get paid for delivering hype and that's all it is. I was thrilled at the suspence surrounding the prospect of who we might take with 53 contrary to previous years when the whole world would know our slightest intentions. It's good to see Gibbs & Co. are determined not to let the media or the fans pick his team

The mere notion that you believe anyone on this site can offer worthy insight or "actual analysis" is laughable to me. When it comes to projecting prospects, the most knowledgable sportswriters in the game are often WAY off. Hell, a lot of coaches and GMs are often WAY off. The fact is we just don't know who's going to be good and who's not.

I also never called you an idiot. I hope you didn't think I did. I think you are smart and know a ton about college prospects. I'm just questioning the purpose behind all that research. I find it fruitless, that's all.

I just find the second-guessing of Gibbs' draft moves kind of funny, that's all. Does anyone really think they can challenge Gibbs' picks based on what they read on the internet? Pffft. He'd laugh at us if we did that.

That's just my philosophy on the whole subject. I do think it's fun to think about and give our opinions just for fun, but the second we start thinking we actually know something about these players is when we get too big for our britches. So I'll give my opinion on Jimmy Williams. I think he has character issues, I read that on the internet. So I can see why Gibbs went with Rocky.

you said yourselt a lot of GMs and team are off... if you're really that opposed to people having opinions about it, please don't waste your time reading the threads and write long posts about how its pointless. the skins are infallible line is stupid. wtf do we have forums or even need to watch or discuss the games then? if gibbs is never wrong, why don't we win the superbowl every year?

you have no opinion until its all said and done, and at that point your opinion is that anyone with an opinion is wasting their time, and proceed to waste both your time and theirs writing about what a waste of time it is, even though this is a FORUM, for OPINIONS and DISCUSSION.

You said it all right here Schneed and what you say is true. Too many times we get caught up in the pre-draft hype from people we all have already admitted know very little about players or the game of football. They get paid for delivering hype and that's all it is. I was thrilled at the suspence surrounding the prospect of who we might take with 53 contrary to previous years when the whole world would know our slightest intentions. It's good to see Gibbs & Co. are determined not to let the media or the fans pick his team

kiper and many mocks had us taking mcintosh for 3 weeks... out of the 7 guys brought into redskin park with 1st or 2nd round grades, mcintosh was the only one likely to fall to us at that pick.

you said yourselt a lot of GMs and team are off... if you're really that opposed to people having opinions about it, please don't waste your time reading the threads and write long posts about how its pointless. the skins are infallible line is stupid. wtf do we have forums or even need to watch or discuss the games then? if gibbs is never wrong, why don't we win the superbowl every year?

you have no opinion until its all said and done, and at that point your opinion is that anyone with an opinion is wasting their time, and proceed to waste both your time and theirs writing about what a waste of time it is, even though this is a FORUM, for OPINIONS and DISCUSSION.

I'll clarify myself. I have no problem with the opinions. I like that we're expressing them and talking about the team's moves. What I do have a problem with is when certain people on this board start to think they really know something.

All I'm intending to do here is provide a reality check. You might think you know these prospects. But in the end none of us know better than the coaches.

Sure we can discuss it and argue it. It's pointless and meaningless to do so, but if it's fun for us then by all means let's talk about it. As long as we realize it's just for fun, and that we really have no clue.

kiper and many mocks had us taking mcintosh for 3 weeks... out of the 7 guys brought into redskin park with 1st or 2nd round grades, mcintosh was the only one likely to fall to us at that pick.

Now i know Gibbs isnt the only one involved in the choice, but I do feel that he may have just been insecure about the 53rd pick. Gibbs in general is that kinda guy, who always wants to make sure, and maybe he was ok with losing a second round next year, not to take a risk, and just to get Rocky for sure.

Williams' skills can't be denied. He runs a 4.36 and is over 6 feet and 209 pounds. He's a ballhawk. He's actually one of the players that I have seen and I think he's a stud.

But, given our needs, I don't mind skipping out on Williams for McIntosh.