Discuss: 90's QB Stats

I guess this whole discussion really needs a comparison. If we look back at the first rounders of any given position, how many really end up providing solid value? Which position typically performs the best and why? I'd like to see a comprehensive study.....it'd be interesting.

my guess would be OL and DB... cause its similar to what you do in college. QBs/RBs/WRs can get stuc in gimmick offenses which don't resemble what they'll be doing in the NFL.

With this draft, what mistake can you realistically make with the QBs here? The only potential mistake I see is someone trading up into the bottom of the first to take a Charlie Whitehurst or a Kellen Clemens, some guy with a third round grade.

yeah, as a 5th round rating, whitehurst is a steal, but now he and kellens have gotten hyped to the point that they're going to both go a round before they really should.

whitehurst has GREAT potential, but sometimes he looked terrible, so you don't really know what you're going to get.

my guess would be OL and DB... cause its similar to what you do in college. QBs/RBs/WRs can get stuc in gimmick offenses which don't resemble what they'll be doing in the NFL.

I think I'm inclined to agree......and I'd probably add DT to that too. Of course there's a lot more positions for Olinemen, so the fact that somebody gets a starter from a first round OL pick probably shouldn't be surprising. Then again, there's always those huge OT busts too. What was that guy the Packers picked years back? And how has Gallery done so far?

Tony Mandarich

There it is........just couldn't think of his name........and too lazy to look it up.

I think I'm inclined to agree......and I'd probably add DT to that too. Of course there's a lot more positions for Olinemen, so the fact that somebody gets a starter from a first round OL pick probably shouldn't be surprising. Then again, there's always those huge OT busts too. What was that guy the Packers picked years back? And how has Gallery done so far?

gallery's been okay... though he got moved to RT. judging him on his first year is a bit too early though. He's still starting though and will be a starter somewhere for years to come. so while he might not be a superstar, its hard to call a guy starting 16 games a year a bust.

OTs can be reaches though. most 1st round TEs, OGs, Cs tend to be starters for years, just because they aren't usually picked in the 1st unless they're REALLY good.

I collected some single season stats from the post Rypien era from some of the QBs who played here. Comparing Brunell's stats from 2005 the rest of these guys, I see many similarities. ....


All of these guys (except Shuler) went on to have considerable success other places. Gannon and Green have been pro bowlers many a time, and Johnson won a SB. Brunell, of course, had considerable success in Jacksonville, before coming over here.

Here's the big question: with all the journeymen who came through here with considerable success, why were none of them ever retained through long term contract.

First, my compliments, Gtripp, on your well researched question.

I don't think we have to explain why Heath Schuler did not last here. But, he was part of the Redskins dream draft. The plan was to have Schuler throwing passes to scoring threats Desmond Howard and Michael Westbrook. You are maybe too young to remember this, but Schuler, Howard and Westbrook were highly regarded college players. People spoke of them the way they talk about Bush, Lienert and Young today. Important to remember that the draft is a great way to build your team, when it works. But it works best when you have time to develop young players. In today's free agency period, you are less likely to keep your stars, especially if they are skill players. It makes more sense to draft linemen and pick up skill players through free agency.

Gus Frerotte was adequate, but was not going to lead anyone to a title.

Trent Green was a salary cap casualty. The team might have kept him if John Kent Cooke was not preoccupied with keeping the Redskins in the family. He lost the Skins to Daniel Snyder. We lost Trent Green to Dick Vermeil and the St. Louis Rams.

We lost Brad Johnson to ownership arrogance. Daniel Snyder had his own ideas about how to build a team, despite absolutely no experience in doing so, and no competent advisor who he respected. He drove GM Charlie Casserly out of town and did not replace him. Evidently, Snyder felt you could win NFL games through big plays all day, just like on Madden Football, and that you build teams by stocking big names rather than carefully matching your talent to your offensive and defensive schemes. So he undervalued the solid Johnson for ol' whatshisname, the forgettable QB with a big gun that no other team in the NFL would touch.

Snyder was churning the roster big time with the imfamous $100 million team. Big names, big plays, big duds.

Gannon was just too early in his career. A new coach (Turner) and new offensive schemes didn't help. It takes a season or two for a new offensive or defensive scheme to jell. Gannon only had one really, really good season -- the year he led Oakland to the Super Bowl, where they lost to Brad Johnson and Tampa.

Incidentally, Johnson considered playing for Brian Billick and the Ravens instead of the Redskins. Billick was his offensive coordinator on the Vikings. Had he joined the Ravens, Johnson would have led them in the 2000 Super Bowl and Baltimore would almost certainly have returned before 2004 with Johnson at QB rather than Boller.

I agree there, but the thought of filling your most important need for 10-15years is pretty tempting, and top 5 picks don't come around that often... a lot of times top ten QB picks are purely need, whereas almost every other position involves a lot more "best talent" available.

I couldnt agree with you more. The most important position on the offensive side of the ball is the QB. He gets the most touches every game and teams are always searching for the right talent at that position. If all first round QB's worked out then you wouldn't have a Tom Brady.

Its poor scouting. If there was a draft for current nfl players, brady would be drafted in the first round.

A good college team can hide a QB's weakness. and a bad college team can hide a QB's talent. IF Brady was on last years USC trojans, he would be a Top 5 pick this year.

Its poor scouting. If there was a draft for current nfl players, brady would be drafted in the first round.

A good college team can hide a QB's weakness. and a bad college team can hide a QB's talent. IF Brady was on last years USC trojans, he would be a Top 5 pick this year.

if he was a starter it might have helped too.