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Schneed10
04-14-2006, 09:50 AM
unfortunately refineries cost a lot to build and don't make much in the way of profit.

Which is ultimately why we need another energy source.

FRPLG
04-14-2006, 10:29 AM
You're right that refining capacity is a big part of the reason that gas prices have jumped recently. But if you want to eliminate the pains of gas prices, the real answer is to stop using so much oil for everything. The root of the problem is demand. America is dependent upon oil for so much of what we do, finding alternative energy sources is the long-term, most viable solution to the problem.

That of course will take time though. So in the interim, you're right, more refineries are needed.
But our demand hasn't increased dramatically. The emerging demand in India and China is what is killing supply overall. It seems unfair for us to have to cut our demand while other countries expant their demand exponentially. I guess life isn't fair.

TheMalcolmConnection
04-14-2006, 10:33 AM
Sanctions on China and India!

Woo hah!

Schneed10
04-14-2006, 10:39 AM
But our demand hasn't increased dramatically. The emerging demand in India and China is what is killing supply overall. It seems unfair for us to have to cut our demand while other countries expant their demand exponentially. I guess life isn't fair.

No our demand hasn't increased. The demand for oil at a global level has increased because of China and India. And like we said, the price of oil is determined by traders on wall street who trade on the futures contract of crude oil. Those traders factor in global demand, not regional demand. If demand increases on the other side of the world and stays constant here, price goes up for everyone.

And cutting our dependency on oil should be something we all WANT to do as Americans, not something we reluctantly go along with. If we weren't dependent upon oil we'd have no reason to get involved in the Middle East. And if we can find a cheaper, more abundant source of energy, it would be a win-win for the entire world.

But you don't eliminate America's oil addiction by buying hybrid vehicles or taking public transportation. That will barely make a dent. You need a total switch to another source, whether it be solar, nuclear, hydrogen, or whathaveyou.

Warpath
04-14-2006, 11:21 AM
I hate chickenheads.

goodstuff.

TheMalcolmConnection
04-14-2006, 11:27 AM
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Warpath
04-14-2006, 11:32 AM
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MTK
04-14-2006, 12:02 PM
They've gotta work the Jetta into that definition of chickenhead

firstdown
04-14-2006, 12:25 PM
You'd think there could be some kind of goverment money set aside to build refineries to be used by all American oil corporations.Its not that the corporations won't build the refineries its that they have not been allowed to build them. I don't think we need the goverment in the middle it would only drive prices higher. Try to name the last thing that the goverment did effeciently or more effeciently than the private sector.

That Guy
04-14-2006, 04:39 PM
Its not that the corporations won't build the refineries its that they have not been allowed to build them. I don't think we need the goverment in the middle it would only drive prices higher. Try to name the last thing that the goverment did effeciently or more effeciently than the private sector.

power regulation. deregulation have private sector building power plants in places like montana and trying to send the power across the country. The limited transmission bandwidth meant that this "cheap power" was causing blackouts and RAISING prices.

You need regulation when the private sector can't manage itself.

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