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budw38 04-11-2006, 10:01 AM Glad to hear all the insight into these draft prospects . trust me , all the young Lb's will get into trouble if the DL is not stout . We do not have any DL on the roster who average over 7 sacks per year , and D. Evans is the only man who has less than 4years , I think we should take the best DL man at 53 , then sighn a Veteran Lb ,, M. Washington is the only LB who has started more than 20 games on our roster . BEAT DALLAS
That Guy 04-11-2006, 12:20 PM Glad to hear all the insight into these draft prospects . trust me , all the young Lb's will get into trouble if the DL is not stout . We do not have any DL on the roster who average over 7 sacks per year , and D. Evans is the only man who has less than 4years , I think we should take the best DL man at 53 , then sighn a Veteran Lb ,, M. Washington is the only LB who has started more than 20 games on our roster . BEAT DALLAS
carter averages over 7 sacks when playing DE. Daniels had 8 last year (though he's doubtful to repeat). Griffin gets 5-6 a year at DT. Youth would be nice, but no DE is going to come in and rack up 8 sacks his rookie year (at least, not 99% of the time). I think a CB or LB (or even a reserve OG) could contribute more immediately.
we have a bunch of DL guys with under 4 years experience (jones, killings, clemons, etc... no one of note), evans is entering his 6th year (which is more than 4), and lemar marshall has started more than 20 games. 16 last year, and most the year before when lavar got hurt.
dmek25 04-11-2006, 12:23 PM welcome bud and im not sure if i agree.as much as i dont want adams at lb,if he signs,we might want to look at offensive line.but as far as im concerned,both lines could use some depth
TheMalcolmConnection 04-11-2006, 01:37 PM carter averages over 7 sacks when playing DE. Daniels had 8 last year (though he's doubtful to repeat). Griffin gets 5-6 a year at DT. Youth would be nice, but no DE is going to come in and rack up 8 sacks his rookie year (at least, not 99% of the time). I think a CB or LB (or even a reserve OG) could contribute more immediately.
we have a bunch of DL guys with under 4 years experience (jones, killings, clemons, etc... no one of note), evans is entering his 6th year (which is more than 4), and lemar marshall has started more than 20 games. 16 last year, and most the year before when lavar got hurt.
I was just watching the games from 2005 recently and Daniels, even though he probably won't repeat his sack performance, is GREAT against run support and seems to always be batting passes.
That Guy 04-11-2006, 01:49 PM I was just watching the games from 2005 recently and Daniels, even though he probably won't repeat his sack performance, is GREAT against run support and seems to always be batting passes.
yeah, its kind of crazy, the only DE with more PDs was jason taylor (who has 3 extra inches)... you'd think peppers would lead the league in DE PDs every year, but apparently not.
Beemnseven 04-11-2006, 02:24 PM Glad to hear all the insight into these draft prospects . trust me , all the young Lb's will get into trouble if the DL is not stout . We do not have any DL on the roster who average over 7 sacks per year , and D. Evans is the only man who has less than 4years , I think we should take the best DL man at 53 , then sighn a Veteran Lb ,, M. Washington is the only LB who has started more than 20 games on our roster . BEAT DALLAS
Welcome aboard, bud. And I agree totally. Each year this team neglects the D-line, and we’ve been lucky that for the past two seasons, a star or two has shined and the line has been stout. Sure, they’ll bring in a moderately successful D-tackle or end like Cornelius Griffin or Andre Carter every other year or so, just to be able to say that they didn’t ignore it. Thankfully, Griffin’s career has magically discovered a rebirth and hopefully Carter’s will do the same. But sooner or later, those positions will require major upgrades and all the Cedric Killings, Ryan Boschettis, and Demetric Evans’ will be there to take up space, but that’s about it. As much as I hate to admit it, I loved what Dallas did with their draft last year with the selections of Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears and Chris Canty. I’d love for Joe Gibbs and Snyderatto to devote the same kind of attention to the defensive line at some point. But I also understand you have to take the best player available, and if the D-linemen just aren’t there, you can’t overreach for them.
If we can sign up Keith Adams, he may not be a superstar, but to me he’d be enough to make the situation secure at linebacker. Cornerback also appears to be solid with the addition of Kenny Wright. So if a draftable lineman on D is available, I’ll be disappointed if they go elsewhere.
That Guy 04-11-2006, 03:47 PM Welcome aboard, bud. And I agree totally. Each year this team neglects the D-line, and we’ve been lucky that for the past two seasons, a star or two has shined and the line has been stout. Sure, they’ll bring in a moderately successful D-tackle or end like Cornelius Griffin or Andre Carter every other year or so, just to be able to say that they didn’t ignore it. Thankfully, Griffin’s career has magically discovered a rebirth and hopefully Carter’s will do the same. But sooner or later, those positions will require major upgrades and all the Cedric Killings, Ryan Boschettis, and Demetric Evans’ will be there to take up space, but that’s about it. As much as I hate to admit it, I loved what Dallas did with their draft last year with the selections of Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears and Chris Canty. I’d love for Joe Gibbs and Snyderatto to devote the same kind of attention to the defensive line at some point. But I also understand you have to take the best player available, and if the D-linemen just aren’t there, you can’t overreach for them.
If we can sign up Keith Adams, he may not be a superstar, but to me he’d be enough to make the situation secure at linebacker. Cornerback also appears to be solid with the addition of Kenny Wright. So if a draftable lineman on D is available, I’ll be disappointed if they go elsewhere.
I don't know how you can say griffin is moderately successful or daniels isn't good or that carter isn't a big signing. useless we draft 4 DL guys and bring in mathis and peppers you just won't be happy, right? I mean really, what do you expect?
getting a very average starting LB is fine with you as long as we can draft a DL guy that'll have ZERO chance to start (instead of a starting LB)... weird.
Beemnseven 04-11-2006, 05:41 PM I don't know how you can say griffin is moderately successful or daniels isn't good or that carter isn't a big signing. useless we draft 4 DL guys and bring in mathis and peppers you just won't be happy, right? I mean really, what do you expect?
getting a very average starting LB is fine with you as long as we can draft a DL guy that'll have ZERO chance to start (instead of a starting LB)... weird.
I said Griffin's career has had a magical rebirth; for the better I might add. The knock on him when the Skins signed him was that he had one good rookie year then had fallen off in subsequent seasons with the Giants. To me, he was a moderate success when we signed him, but has turned out better than anyone could have expected and has been the anchor of the line. I also believe we struck gold with Joe Salave'a.
Until the second Cowboy game, Philip Daniels was a joke, -- he and Renaldo Wynn up to that point had combined for something like one sack. Then along with the rest of the team, Daniels really picked it up for the 5 game winning streak that got us into the playoffs. While it's a big signing in terms of numbers, we have no idea of the impact Andre Carter will have on the team. I wouldn't necessarily call him a premier defensive end, though I admit our cap space and the overall availability of any other good D-ends limited much of what we could do. In that instance, Gibbs and Co. probably did the best they could.
I've never been a fan of Renaldo Wynn. Most people defend him because he's a good run-stopper. As a pass rusher though, and that's primarily where he's played in Washington, well ... let's just say he hasn't been much of a threat to sack the quarterback. The Brandon Noble fiasco was more bad luck than anything else, but I never looked at his acquisition as anything more than depth. Factor in guys like Killings, Boschetti, Evans, and others, and you've got second stringers at best who can rotate in to give the starters a breather. But there’s little doubt that they are no threat to the first string for a starting job.
Let's not forget also, that there was a stretch last season when the defense had a bit of a problem stopping the run. When Griffin and then Salave'a went down to injury, it could have spelled serious trouble. Thankfully, the injuries weren't long term, and their replacements held their own.
I have said over and over that I understand you cannot overreach for one particular position, and you have to select the best player available to you in the draft. I’ll make no excuses about it – I’d give anything to see the Redskins do just what the Cowboys did last year when they used their two 1st round picks on Marcus Spears and Demarcus Ware. Then, in the 4th round, I firmly believe we goofed when we took Manuel White while Chris Canty was still on the board. I’ve always believed that a great defensive line works wonders for whatever linebackers and secondary you have. Perhaps I’m being too optimistic, but I have faith in guys like Chris Clemons and Lemar Marshall to be adequate at the very least, if not, a legitimate force at linebacker. Then there’s project guys like Robert McCune.
Maybe I am too hard on the team for not addressing the defensive line the way I want them to. And I’ll certainly yield to your draft expertise. I don’t have nearly the time to devote to researching it. If there’s not a defensive lineman worth taking with our spot in the draft, then so be it. If there’s clearly a better linebacker waiting there, then let’s take him. My only bone of contention is that with another injury or two like what we saw with Griffin or Salave'a, we might not be as lucky the next time around. Just once, I'd like to see a high draft pick used on a D-lineman. If we did that, it would be the first time since Bobby Wilson in 1991. Since then, we've relied on journeymen and cast-offs from other teams. That's what bothers me.
That Guy 04-11-2006, 06:18 PM its just that from your complaints seems like you want 7 starter quality DL guys. with a cap, that's just not possible, and anyone who loses their starters is going to be hurting. People here did like canty, but his stats this year aren't nearly as good as evans, who you term as a pure second stringer.
Bobby Wilson busted, just using a high pick doesn't mean success and our starting 4 are good right now, with a 5th starter (wynn) whose solid (not amazing, but one of the better backups you'll find) and evans and killings are sserviceable as well. I'm just not sure how many players and how much money you want spent on the DL, cause it seems like nothing will be enough unless everyone's getting 10 sacks each, including the guys on the bench.
For a team with a cap, having an extra starter and 2 quality subs is about as good as you can hope for at any position, and its far better than our LB, DB, or OL situation right now (though you can argue the DB or OL starters are a bit higher quality). Our QB situation, as far as depth, is still a question mark, and only our skill position (RB/FB/TE/WR) depth is considerably better.
budw38 04-11-2006, 06:37 PM Hey guys , I do like are DL , but it is the postition with the hightest average age . Danials has been hurt each of the last two years , and if we lost Danials or Griff. I think we would be in trouble . And if Taylor misses this year , we will need a better pass rush to protect our DB's . I have no problem drafting a LB or O- lineman at 53 , I still believe that you win most games in the trenches ! LETS JUST KICK THE ---- OUT OF DALLAS !!!!
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