Lions | Two key wide receivers not impressing the coaching staff

Rookies like that need a coach that can groom them and teach them who to act in the NFL. The coaching staff has a huge influence on how a player turns out. Detriots coaching staff sucked under mariucci who doesnt really have a good track record of teaching his young wide outs how to act in the NFL......I mean its probably better these guys werent successful under Mariucci or we'd have three TOs to deal with. Three times the drama

That Guy -- How many of Moss' yards came on throws under 10 yards this year? I believe a majority of them. He got a few over the top, but most were dinks and dunks that his speed took advantage of.


He got 613 yards after catch and 870 came through the air. 2 at dallas, 2 at the 49ers (down the sideline and 30yard td), etc. he did get a lot of yards in chunks. In NY he had a 1100 yard season, so i'd imagine the stronger arm here helped him get that extra yardage. It seemed like we threw 400 screens, but he got downfield more than anyone (including smith and the other moss). 24 20+ and 10 40+ yard gains this year, vs 17 and 5 with the jets.

Repeat after me... character counts. And it counts more than all the draft day analyists will admit to. How many of us wanted Williams on draft day?

Guilty . . . can I change my pick to Shawn Merriman? Hopefully Carlos turns it on this year.

That Guy -- How many of Moss' yards came on throws under 10 yards this year? I believe a majority of them. He got a few over the top, but most were dinks and dunks that his speed took advantage of.

Part of the problem with young players is you need a coaching staff to keep them focused. It's a sad day. I really liked CHarles Rogers at Michigan State and I hated Mike WIlliams at first but he grew on me. THat said, he was never exactly skinny and in shape.

Either way, I really want to see the Lions do well. I've been pulling for them ever since they've had the best player in league history IMO (Barry Sanders). Feel bad for teams who are consistantly in the basement.


From ESPN.com article by KC Joyner . . . just shows that by the numbers the "dinks and dunks" were less than half (though only slightly, but still far from a majority) of Santana's numbers. The deep ball was critical.

The reason Washington's deep pass numbers were so high was the performance of Santana Moss. Take a look at Moss's metrics from 2005:

Moss

Short 55/87 616 yds 3tds 2ints 29pen yds 7.4yds/att
Medium 12/20 189 yds 0tds 0ints 0pen yds 9.5yds/att
Deep 16/27 678 yds 6tds 0ints 36pen yds 26.4yds/att
Total 83 1483 9 2 65 11.6

Before I conducted this analysis, I thought Moss would have incredible short pass numbers, as it seemed for a few weeks last year that Moss was running 50 yards with a short pass. His short pass numbers are actually quite good, but those deep pass numbers are simply phenomenal. When you consider that Moss was the only legitimate deep threat on this team for much of the season, these numbers are even more impressive. To put these numbers in a team perspective, consider the Redskins attempted 35 deep passes to receivers other than Moss (including tight ends and running backs). They completed only four of these attempts and drew penalties on three others. The other receivers gained a combined 206 deep pass yards for an incredibly low 5.9 yards per attempt. Randle El should add a much-needed vertical threat to the Redskins' offense.

63%, 60%, 60% on completion stats mentioned above. Very solid WR. Thats good info.

Lions | Police and courts: S. Vines
Sat, 8 Apr 2006 08:21:02 -0700

Mlive.com, citing the Jackson Hole Star Tribune, reports Detroit Lions WR Scottie Vines was forced to pay damages for a fight he had while in college at Wyoming. Vines has to pay $32,633 in damages to plaintiff Derek Erickson, including $24,833 in punitive awards. The civil trial stemmed from an April 7, 2003 incident in which Vines, his brother and Erickson got into an altercation during a pickup basketball game at a local gymnasium. A doctor and dentist testified during the trial that Erickson has irreparable damage to his vision and dental structure.


while we're still sorta on the subject of idiot detriot WRs...

i thought millen was suppose to be this big,stearn voice of the franchise?is the nflpa that strong that he cant even be heard?

Deroit WR's is like Detroit motors. All of that muscle without proper engineering

"How many of us wanted Williams on draft day?"

I already thought we had plenty of tight ends. ...and that's what he is, a tight end. ...that can't block very well. I don't see why anyone, Matt Millen and Steve Mariucci included, would blow a pick that high on a tight end. But there's an awful lot of me too thinkin' in the NFL, and everybody, I think, was thinkin' about Antonio Gates that year.

"How many of us wanted Williams on draft day?"

I already thought we had plenty of tight ends. ...and that's what he is, a tight end. ...that can't block very well. I don't see why anyone, Matt Millen and Steve Mariucci included, would blow a pick that high on a tight end. But there's an awful lot of me too thinkin' in the NFL, and everybody, I think, was thinkin' about Antonio Gates that year.

Please enlighten me I am confused.